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4 years ago  ::  Oct 14, 2009 - 1:28PM #1
WotC_Jenkot
Date Joined: Jun 10, 2009
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Top Decks Article, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 14, 2009 - 9:46PM #2
ghettoimp
Date Joined: May 20, 2003
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leave it to flores to cite lists that didn't even do that well just to highlight hisss pet mythic...

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 14, 2009 - 10:42PM #3
Patch13
Date Joined: Jul 6, 2009
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Oct 14, 2009 -- 9:46PM, ghettoimp wrote:


leave it to flores to cite lists that didn't even do that well just to highlight hisss pet mythic...




Any deck that makes top 16 in a large tournament, especially early on, when the environment is still shaping up, deserves consideration.  


That said, it was reassuring to see Lotus Cobra make a showing, but not dominate.  Should be soothing to those who were worried about its about its potentially corrosive effect on the environment.


Also:  fun to see Goblin Guide show up in the second and third place decks.  Always happy making to see a card with silly art and concept make a showing on tourney tables :-)


- Patch

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2009 - 1:35AM #4
Falcon_Uk
Date Joined: Jun 15, 2007
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Clearly Jund aggro is the deck to beat.  I like the way MF did the quick synopsis on how the Jund aggro decks varied which meant I didn't have to read all the deck lists in full (which saved a good couple of minutes).


It is nice to see that Lotus Cobra is not the all dominating force some thought it would be.  Given the strength of Alara over Zen at the moment it will be interesting to see at the end of Zen how many Zen cards are tournament worthy constructed cards compared to Alara.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2009 - 2:07AM #5
Amarsir
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I'm a little surprised Lotus Cobra isn't in the Jund Aggro deck.  It helps them hit 3 colors and step up to the 5/6/8 mana that the deck needs at times.  It's not the best Aggro card, but seems aggro enough for the sort of midrange that this deck is.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2009 - 3:26AM #6
Re-Quest
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Bolt and Helix together for the first time?


 


I think you are forgetting Legacy (1.5) powerhouse Zoo. 3 in the top 16 of the latest 5k at Philly.


 


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4 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2009 - 6:07AM #7
dimir_impersonator
Date Joined: Apr 18, 2007
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So are the Lotus Cobra fanatics going to calm down yet?


 


I guess the real question becomes, When does Flores stop giving us potential perfect case scenario's where this card is a blowout and start talking about how most games it's going to get killed in turn 3-4 by Volcanic Fallout or Day of Judgement without having an impact on the game at all?  Or when is he going to talk about how it has to block Bloodbraid because the person playing the cobra has already taken hits from Leech and goblin guide and can't afford more damage?


 


Face it, Cobra is great...when you have the perfect hand to back him up.  So he's awesome 1 game out of 20 at best.  Lotus Cobra is probably the most overhyped card of Zendikar.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2009 - 7:03AM #8
Jakusotsu
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Emeria, the Sky Ruin is one of my favorite new cards from Zendikar. It is basically a Debtors' Knell, but one that can't be easily stopped by blue permission spells. While it can be useful in essentially any long-game situation, consider this one: The game goes forever; the white deck over-draws to eight and discards Iona, Shield of Emeria.



Consider this one: why over-draw to eight and discard Iona when you need to have 89% of her regular casting cost on the board to resurrect her anyway? With only three Armillary Spheres for card drawing, that plan doesn't sound too great.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2009 - 7:41AM #9
Seeker_after_Chaos
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Oct 15, 2009 -- 7:03AM, Jakusotsu wrote:

Emeria, the Sky Ruin is one of my favorite new cards from Zendikar. It is basically a Debtors' Knell, but one that can't be easily stopped by blue permission spells. While it can be useful in essentially any long-game situation, consider this one: The game goes forever; the white deck over-draws to eight and discards Iona, Shield of Emeria.



Consider this one: why over-draw to eight and discard Iona when you need to have 89% of her regular casting cost on the board to resurrect her anyway? With only three Armillary Spheres for card drawing, that plan doesn't sound too great.


Because waiting six turns for an uncounterable Iona seems all right when your only plan is to make it that far anyways.

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4 years ago  ::  Oct 15, 2009 - 7:52AM #10
quitequieter
Date Joined: Oct 6, 2008
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dark depths was the first thing i thought of when i saw the hexmage. i hope it goes further than this. dark depths has skyrocketed in price when i wasn't paying attention and i wonder if the hexmage has anything to do with it.


Vampire Nighthawk is essentially the same mana cost as a Hurloon Minotaur (Magic's iconic red creature)... but with two very relevant abilities (rather than nothing) tacked on.



ah, counting. last time i checked the nighthawk had 3 abilities. unless he is saying flying, lifelink, or deathtouch isn't relevant and the other two are? somehow i doubt that.

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