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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:13PM
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Sep 30, 2009
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If Iona is removed from the battlefield, either through damage or exile, does her "opponent can't cast spells of the chosen color" effect stil remain in effect? Or is the effect null when she leaves the battlefield?
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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:14PM
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Sep 22, 2009
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it only functions when she's in play. once gone, there's no longer that restriction and they can play whatever they want.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:16PM
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Sep 16, 2007
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No. If it would have said ''for the rest of the game, your opponent cant cast spells...'' (like Stigma lasher says) it would have been true, but its not the case here. It only applies while the angel is in play.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:20PM
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Sep 30, 2009
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Ok, 2nd (and more important) question - Why can't I respond to Iona's controller choosing a color (i.e. black) by casting doom blade? Iona's card specifically says when Iona enters the battlefield, which implies that the cast has resolved, and she's become a permanent. Shouldn't it be like this? - 1. Player casts Iona. 2. Cast resolves, Iona enters battlefield. 3. Iona's ability triggers from entering battlefield, player chooses color (black). Trigger goes on stack. 4. Opponent responds with Doom Blade. Doom Blade goes on stack. 5. Both items of stack resolve, with doom blade killing Iona.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:25PM
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Sep 17, 2005
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Iona does not have a triggered ability. Triggered abilities use the words "When", "Whenever", or "At"
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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:29PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 10, 2005
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If Iona is removed from the battlefield, either through damage or exile, does her "opponent can't cast spells of the chosen color" effect stil remain in effect? Or is the effect null when she leaves the battlefield?
If Glorious Anthem leaves the battlefield, do all my creatures still get +1/+1?
If Grave Pact leaves the battlefield, do my opponents still have to sacrifice a creature whenever one of mine goes to the graveyard?
If Elvish Champion leaves the battlefield do all my elves still have forestwalk?
The answer to all these questions (and to yours) is "no." Most abilities (and these are no exception) only function while the object with the ability is on the battlefield. Abilities that function in a different zone either can't work at all from on the battlefield, or else they specifically say which zone(s) they work in (also there is a list somewhere in the CR that lays out all the conditions for abilities that function from zones other than the battlefield). Ah, here it is:
1. Game Concepts
112. Abilities
112.5. Abilities of an instant or sorcery spell usually function only while that object is on the stack. Abilities of all other objects usually function only while that object is on the battlefield. The exceptions are as follows:
112.5a Characteristic-defining abilities function everywhere, even outside the game. (See rule 604.3.)
112.5b An ability that states which zones it functions in functions only from those zones.
112.5c An object's ability that modifies what that particular object costs to cast functions on the stack.
112.5d An object's ability that restricts or modifies how that particular object can be played or cast functions in any zone from which it could be played or cast.
112.5e An object's ability that restricts or modifies what zones that particular object can be played or cast from functions in all zones.
112.5f An object's ability that modifies how that particular object enters the battlefield functions as that object is entering the battlefield. See rule 613.12.
112.5g An object's activated ability that has a cost that can't be paid while the object is on the battlefield functions from any zone in which its cost can be paid.
112.5h A trigger condition that can't trigger from the battlefield functions in all zones it can trigger from. Other trigger conditions of the same triggered ability may function in different zones.
Example: Absolver Thrull has the ability "When Absolver Thrull enters the battlefield or the creature it haunts is put into a graveyard, destroy target enchantment." The first trigger condition triggers from the battlefield and the second trigger condition functions from the exile zone. (See rule 702.52, "Haunt.")
112.5i An ability whose cost or effect specifies that it moves the object it's on out of a particular zone functions only in that zone, unless that ability's trigger condition, or a previous part of that ability's cost or effect, specifies that the object is put into that zone.
Example: Necrosavant says "{3}{B}{B}, Sacrifice a creature: Return Necrosavant from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate this ability only during your upkeep." A player may activate this ability only if Necrosavant is in his or her graveyard.
112.5j An ability that modifies the rules for deck construction functions before the game begins. Such an ability modifies not just the Comprehensive Rules, but also the _Magic: The Gathering_ Tournament Rules and any other documents that set the deck construction rules for a specific Constructed format. However, such an ability can't affect the format legality of a card, including whether it's banned or restricted. The current _Magic: The Gathering_ Tournament Rules can be found at <www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Events.aspx?x=...>.
112.5k Abilities of plane cards function in the command zone. See rule 901, "Planar Magic."
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Ok, 2nd (and more important) question - Why can't I respond to Iona's controller choosing a color (i.e. black) by casting doom blade? Iona's card specifically says when Iona enters the battlefield
No, it doesn't. It says As Iona enters the battlefield. This is not a triggered ability, it's a replacement effect that modifies how she enters the battlefield. Instead of simply Iona entering the battlefield, that event becomes Iona enters the battlefield and you choose a color.
Then, as long as she remains on the battlefield, her static ability prevents your oppoents from casting spells of the chosen color.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:30PM
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Sep 30, 2009
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Re-read the card, and it uses "As" instead of "when"... Despite the wording, can someone explain to me how an ability that, for lack of a better word, activates based on the permanent entering the battlefield isn't a triggered effect? Is it purely based on wording? If so, that seems downright silly, considering how powerful Iona's ability is.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:32PM
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Mar 14, 2003
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As Iona, Shield of Emeria enters the battlefield, choose a color. So she's not on the field yet. You can respond with doom blade, but since Iona isn't on the field you cannot target her, but you can kill any other legal target before Iona hit the battlefield, As soon that she hit it it's too late, your doom blade become an illegal spell. So if you play against many Iona in your group, sidedeck some Dark Temper and play with some dragonskull summit and/or Veinfire Borderpost to kill that angel bannign your black spells.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:34PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 17, 2005
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Re-read the card, and it uses "As" instead of "when"...
Despite the wording, can someone explain to me how an ability that, for lack of a better word, activates based on the permanent entering the battlefield isn't a triggered effect? Is it purely based on wording? If so, that seems downright silly, considering how powerful Iona's ability is.
Yes, it is all based on wording. "As" is not a triggered ability. If Clone had a triggered ability it would go to the graveyard before it turned into another creature.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 05, 2009 - 4:35PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 17, 2005
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As Iona, Shield of Emeria enters the battlefield, choose a color. So she's not on the field yet. You can respond with doom blade, but since Iona isn't on the field you cannot target her, but you can kill any other legal target before Iona hit the battlefield, As soon that she hit it it's too late, your doom blade become an illegal spell. So if you play against many Iona in your group, sidedeck some Dark Temper and play with some dragonskull summit and/or Veinfire Borderpost to kill that angel bannign your black spells.
VeinfireBorderpost is a black spell - you can't cast it with Iona set to "Black"
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