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4 years ago ::
Sep 30, 2009 - 11:57AM
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Top Decks, which goes live Thursday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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4 years ago ::
Sep 30, 2009 - 9:10PM
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"the two-drop redefined how Constructed Magic was played.... You could no longer sit there and do nothing for four turns and expect to be able to win." - mike flores www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.a... am i the only person thinking it's weird to see a competitive deck with no two drops OR one drops? and it's not like there's any tricks here either, where you play any of the cards for less than their converted mana cost. the three drops don't get dropped earlier than turn 3. i get why it works but it's just...odd. i do really like that list, though.
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4 years ago ::
Sep 30, 2009 - 9:28PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2003
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"the two-drop redefined how Constructed Magic was played.... You could no longer sit there and do nothing for four turns and expect to be able to win." - mike flores
www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/Article.a...
am i the only person thinking it's weird to see a competitive deck with no two drops OR one drops? and it's not like there's any tricks here either, where you play any of the cards for less than their converted mana cost. the three drops don't get dropped earlier than turn 3. i get why it works but it's just...odd. i do really like that list, though.
And note that even the three drops are completely useless on defense. It's not until turn four that you'll have a Bloodbraid Elf or Captured Sunlight to help you stay alive.
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4 years ago ::
Sep 30, 2009 - 9:35PM
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Turn one: Marsh Flats, sacrifice Marsh Flats for a Swamp, cycle Architects of Will
Turn two: Swamp, Grim Discovery
Don't let Flores distract you. This play isn't that amazing. It's the same as cycling Krosan Tusker, but for one life instead of one mana (in both cases you bin one spell and get a land and a random draw). That's not to say that Grim Discovery is a bad card, but this play isn't backbreaking, just good (and Tusker is good too).
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4 years ago ::
Sep 30, 2009 - 10:37PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 15, 2007
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Aw Mike. Why'd you say that stuff about Swamps (+ Swamp proxies)...oh well. Landfall seems like it's going to be a real contender. We'll see. ----- Also, I'm all about the curve. It's VERY weird to see a deck without 1 drops or 2 drops. Also, I never played Tusker. Always liked it, but never played it. What else was available then...?
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4 years ago ::
Sep 30, 2009 - 11:10PM
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Date Joined:
Nov 14, 2002
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I think the only reason that deck worked before is you could side in 4x Primal Command and 4x Ajani Vengeant, so between them and BS Angel, you could hopefully fight off Aggro (but it was probably still a shaky matchup). In G1, I'm pretty sure you usually lose to Aggro. But with Primal Command gone, I don't see a suitable replacement for it.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 01, 2009 - 12:59AM
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That, and Lotus Cobra. Definitely play Lotus Cobra, too! Lotus Cobra, after all, makes everything look powerful and synergistic, ultimately easy.
With respect, you are a tool for mentioning this with such flippancy. The forums have been swarming with complaints about the unfairness of this card being mythic. Breezily implying that it goes into every deck and makes every deck better only underlines the point that this is a key *utility* component. So how about if you are going to bring this up you care to mention why you think its mythic? otherwise, less salt in the wound please.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 01, 2009 - 2:29AM
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Oct 28, 2006
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So how about if you are going to bring this up you care to mention why you think its mythic? otherwise, less salt in the wound please.
Did I miss the part where Flores was brought into R&D and put in charge of rarities? I went to bed early last night. Perhaps I missed it.
Aaron Forsythe (the guy who did make that decision) already explained it btw. He said Mythics are cards that make someone say "wow". I presume "Holy @%^#! What is that card doing at Mythic!?" counts as a "wow." I don't like it, but there's your answer, and Mike's job is to talk about competitive cards regardless of rarity. So don't pick a fight with the guy because you're mad at someone else. Hell, the 2 decks he talked about don't even use Lotus Cobra.
am i the only person thinking it's weird to see a competitive deck with no two drops OR one drops?
*snort* Heh, "competitive". Thomas Dodd played Cascade Control to 12th place at a 5k event in Charlotte. That's the best finish I've heard of for the deck. I don't know, maybe I missed something big during the same coma I was in when Flores was put in charge of Mythic assignment. But I'm pretty sure the only reason we're reading about this is because it's Mike's pet deck. Which is cool, he has a week to fill and this sure beats a retrospective look back at the Faeries decks we've hated for 2 years. But don't mistake the deck for anything bigger than it is. (To be fair, none of the meat of this cascade deck is rotating, which raises its profile by comparison. But then again, it is a 5-color deck about to lose Vivids.) Actually, the point of the article (though this may not have been clear if you don't follow Flores elsewhere) was to say "Landfall is Linear! Pack your deck with lots!" In the same way that the cascade deck got better with more focus, so will Landfall decks be they mono-Black Vampire builds or anything else.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 01, 2009 - 4:56AM
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Jul 14, 2003
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So don't pick a fight with the guy because you're mad at someone else. Hell, the 2 decks he talked about don't even use Lotus Cobra
All the more reason to be mad at the flippant way he suggested we use it. Yeah print it at a proper rarity you losers, and we'll use it. Otherwise, shut up about it, we're already mad enough. In fact, WHY even mention the Cobra when the article had nothing to do with it at all? If the author couldn't see that the last 2 sentences of his article could achieve absolutely nothing but to antagonise the readership, he must be blind or stupid. And btw if this first deck was "competitve", aggro in Standard must be pathetically slow right now. Oh wait, I forget we have the Cobra to accelerate it. :/
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4 years ago ::
Oct 01, 2009 - 6:27AM
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Jan 25, 2008
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The borderposts don't have any special synergy with landfall. You still only play one land in your turn because the borderpost isn't a land but an artifact. Instead of playing that borderpost, returning a land to your hand and putting it back into play, you could just play a normal swamp. You would still put the same number of lands into play.
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Kicker Aggro (Invasion Block)
