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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 4:49PM
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I assume that gaining life from lifelink now happens simultaneously, but I wanted to make sure. The ExampleI Control: Five 2/2 black Zombie creature tokens, Necromancer's Covenant  , Cradle of Vitality  I attack with all the Zombies and they go on to deal 10 damage to my opponent. Then, I gain 10 life simultaneously, and Cradle of Vitality triggers once, targeting one creature and allowing me to pay   to put ten +1/+1 counters on that creature. Right?
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 4:53PM
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It's simultaneous, but as far as I can see it does not follow that there is only one instance of life gain here and not five.
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 5:02PM
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I'd assume you gained 5 lots of 2 life at the same time, for the same reason that your opponent loses 5 lots of 2 life.
It is not logic: it's Magic.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 5:34PM
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Does anyone have rules citation for this? The closest thing I can find is this entry: 603.2c An ability triggers only once each time its trigger event occurs. However, it can trigger
repeatedly if one event contains multiple occurrences. See also rule 509.4.
[INDENT]Example: A permanent has an ability whose trigger condition reads, “Whenever a land
is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, . . . .” If someone casts a spell that destroys
all lands, the ability will trigger once for each land put into the graveyard during the
spell’s resolution.[/INDENT]
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 5:37PM
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I would actually have to agree with Jim here. Under the old rules, Lifelink in this scenario would cause the Cradle to trigger five times because they resolved separately. However, with the new rules, you gain life from all the lifelink damage at the same time (which is also at the same time that you and/or creatures and/or your opponent takes damage, depending on the scenario). Cradle triggers on whenever you gain life, and in this scenario, you gained 10 life at one time, not 2 life 5 times. One trigger of vitality, in this case, would result in 10 counters being placed.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 5:39PM
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 5:42PM
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MTG Rules Advisor
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 6:29PM
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Does anyone have a more rigorous definition and/or insight to the mechanics and processes of lifelink? No one seems to be entirely certain of the answer here, and I'm definitely not convinced by either side yet. From my understanding of it, rule 603.2c clarifies time stamp is irrelevant: multiple simultaneous events can trigger an ability multiple times. The real question seems to be whether lifelink grants you two life five times or ten life once. I haven't seen anyone cite something confirming one way or another. This reminds me of a similar question I had but never bothered asking regarding Rite of Passage  .
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 6:33PM
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Does anyone have a more rigorous definition and/or insight to the mechanics and processes of lifelink? No one seems to be entirely certain of the answer here, and I'm definitely not convinced by either side yet.
From my understanding of it, rule 603.2c clarifies time stamp is irrelevant: multiple simultaneous events can trigger an ability multiple times. The real question seems to be whether lifelink grants you two life five times or ten life once. I haven't seen anyone cite something confirming one way or another.
This reminds me of a similar question I had but never bothered asking regarding Rite of Passage .
Actually, the Rite of Passage question makes me more sure of my answer. With Rite of Passage, 10 x wolves dealing damage  to a single creature would only trigger Rite of Passage once for that creature, because it's one event of being dealt damage, even if it's from 10 different sources.
By the same token, with the new way lifelink works, you're gaining 10 life all at once, not gaining 2 life then 2 life then 2 life then 2 life then 2 life. Because Cradle doesn't care how you gained life, only that you gained it, it'll trigger whenever you gain life--and if you gained 10 life all at the same time, Cradle doesn't care why you gained that life all at the same time, just that you did. So you can pay for 10 counters.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 12, 2009 - 6:55PM
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Actually, the Rite of Passage question makes me more sure of my answer. With Rite of Passage, 10 x wolves dealing damage to a single creature would only trigger Rite of Passage once for that creature, because it's one event of being dealt damage, even if it's from 10 different sources.
By the same token, with the new way lifelink works, you're gaining 10 life all at once, not gaining 2 life then 2 life then 2 life then 2 life then 2 life. Because Cradle doesn't care how you gained life, only that you gained it, it'll trigger whenever you gain life--and if you gained 10 life all at the same time, Cradle doesn't care why you gained that life all at the same time, just that you did. So you can pay for 10 counters.
Weirdly enough, it makes me more sure of mine, as well, if it's true that multiple simultaneous events can trigger an ability multiple times.
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