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3 years ago ::
Aug 18, 2010 - 5:49PM
#271
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Date Joined:
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3 years ago ::
Aug 18, 2010 - 6:04PM
#272
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- Mogic Puzzle Master
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You should have made a new thread, not post in the Rules Q&A FAQ.
A token goes wherever it is send. Then it cease to exist. It is not exiled, it simply goes *poof*.
So if the tokens are bounced, they do not trigger 'going to graveyard' effects. I they actually go to the graveyard, they will.
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- Terry Pratchett, The Colour Of Magic
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3 years ago ::
Aug 18, 2010 - 6:07PM
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It's actually the very first thing written in this thread after the title: Please do not post questions of your own here!
You should only post in this thread if you want a question or topic to be added to the list. If you do, please post both question and answer, along with an explanation of why the given answer is the correct one.
Please make your own thread if you want to get a question answered.
Also, your question is already answered in the "Tokens" section of the FAQ.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 24, 2010 - 2:03AM
#274
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Date Joined:
Aug 24, 2010
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Question:
Elvish Piper (3G 1/1 ({G} tap You may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.) Is on the battlefield
Using This tap ability to bring out Wolfbriar Elemental 2GG (Multikicker {G} (You may pay an additional {G} any number of times as you cast this spell.) When Wolfbriar Elemental enters the battlefield, put a 2/2 green Wolf creature token onto the battlefield for each time it was kicked.)
Can you use the tap ability of Elvish Piper to bring out Wolfbriar Elemental and still pay the multikicker in order to bring out wolf tokens?
Answer: you are not paying the cost for wolfbriar elemental therefore not casting the spell to bring out wolfbriar. instead you are using elvish pipers ability to bring a creature into play using elvish piper's ability. this is an ability not a spell. Because an ability was used in order to bring out wolfbriar you are not able to use the multikicker.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 24, 2010 - 10:56AM
#275
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2001
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Question:
Elvish Piper (3G 1/1 ({G} tap You may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.) Is on the battlefield
Using This tap ability to bring out Wolfbriar Elemental 2GG (Multikicker {G} (You may pay an additional {G} any number of times as you cast this spell.) When Wolfbriar Elemental enters the battlefield, put a 2/2 green Wolf creature token onto the battlefield for each time it was kicked.)
Can you use the tap ability of Elvish Piper to bring out Wolfbriar Elemental and still pay the multikicker in order to bring out wolf tokens?
Answer: you are not paying the cost for wolfbriar elemental therefore not casting the spell to bring out wolfbriar. instead you are using elvish pipers ability to bring a creature into play using elvish piper's ability. this is an ability not a spell. Because an ability was used in order to bring out wolfbriar you are not able to use the multikicker.
I am sure Zammm appreciates the proposed addition; if nothing else, it makes a nice change from people posting questions without answers in here and thereby ignoring the first words of the thread.
And this is indeed a common question that, in my opinion, deserves a spot. Where precisely are you proposing to add it? I suppose the keyword FAQ under "Kicker" (which also covers multikicker) would be logical; any other ideas?
One place it should not be is under "abilities". (Your proposed answer is actually somewhat misleading; you seem to say that the fact that an ability is being used here is what makes it illegal to pay Kicker, which isn't true. Earlier, you give the correct and quite different information that it is the fact that it isn't being cast that does this. There are abilities such that you can pay kicker (e.g. Djinn of Wishes  ) and spells such that you can't (e.g. Mass Polymorph  ).
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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3 years ago ::
Aug 24, 2010 - 11:34AM
#276
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Date Joined:
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I agree Jeff that it should be a clarification under "Kicker". I apologize for any misleading information.
My only goal was to clarify the difference between casting a creature spell and paying the "Kicker/Multikicker" and bringing a creature to the field using the ability of another creature.
If you used the ability of another card to bring it to the battlefield you may not pay the cost for its "Kicker/Multikicker" (e.g. Wolfbriar Elemental).
Abilities such as Djinn of Wishes would still be usable because it is an ability that can be payed at any moment during the game. The only abilities I am speaking of that a player cannot use are "kicker/Multikicker" abilities because they require you cast the actual spell in order to pay the "kicked" cost. Using a card like Mass Polymorph allows you to bring out a number of creatures. If any one of those creatures have a "kicker/Multikicker" (e.g. Wolfbriar Elemental) then you cannot use its "Kicker" ability. Other abilities will be usable along with abilities that go into affect as it goes onto the battlefield.
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3 years ago ::
Aug 24, 2010 - 12:05PM
#277
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2001
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You misunderstand my point about abilities.
Your proposed answer made it sound (at one point) as though the fact that you were using an ability to bring Wolfbriar Elemental into play was the reason you couldn't pay kicker. This is false (and I think you realize this and are guilty only of poor word choice, but this response makes me less sure of that than I was before). As a counterexample, I offered the fact that if you play Wolfbriar Elemental with Djinn of Wishes, you can still pay the kicker cost.
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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3 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2010 - 9:10PM
#278
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Date Joined:
Sep 13, 2010
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hey yall, just had a question about something. I think I might of found a damage loop. One card is an equipment that states all damage that would be dealt to me is dealt to equipped creature instead.
Now the other card is an enchant creature and it states that all damage that would be dealt to enchanted creature is dealt to that creature's controller. So wtf does that mean? The damage just bounces back and forth, never touching either one of us? Does the game go on, or does the loop need to be broken somehow before the game can go any further lol?
Thanks.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2010 - 9:12PM
#279
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Date Joined:
Aug 13, 2001
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Quoting the first post in this thread: Rules Q&A Main Rules FAQ
Please do not post questions of your own here!
You should only post in this thread if you want a question or topic to be added to the list. If you do, please post both question and answer, along with an explanation of why the given answer is the correct one.
Please make your own thread if you want to get a question answered.
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 11:40AM
#280
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The question of what happens with Necrotic Ooze  and Leveler cards has come up several times already. Example: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...Should this be added to the Specific Cards section of the FAQ?
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