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5 years ago ::
Nov 15, 2008 - 9:17AM
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Date Joined:
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I've been introducing quite a number of people to Magic, both «new» and «returning» players. I found out Trample, Protection and Regeneration are among the most difficult concepts to grasp. About Trample, I'd like to insist on what RMSGREY already said:
...trample (cares) about "lethal damage", which is specifically defined as "damage equal to the creature's toughness", taking into account "damage already on the creature and damage from other creatures that will be assigned at the same time"
You must realize that, if some other source has already dealt 1 damage this turn to your 2/2-Pro-Green, only ONE point of damage must be assigned to it by the 6/6-Trampler and 5 dmg may be thrown at defending player.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 11:29AM
#12
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Jun 20, 2009
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But does Can't be the target of spells or abilities you opponents control stop trample in it's tracks?
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4 years ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 11:31AM
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No. Trample doesn't have anything to do with targeting, so being untargetable is no help whatsoever against it.
And so people say to me, "How do I know if a word is real?" You know, anyone who's read a children's book knows that love makes things real. If you love a word, use it! That makes it real. Being in the dictionary is an artificial distinction; it doesn't make the word any more real than any other word. If you love a word, it becomes real.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 11:36AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 20, 2009
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Me and a shop owner argued about this.. and he said fine your right i'm wrong.. I told him that Trample is an ability your right, but it targets my creature not you.. it just allows the damage to carry over. He still doesn't believe that works that way. Needless to say I beat him and he thinks I cheat now.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 11:42AM
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Me and a shop owner argued about this.. and he said fine your right i'm wrong.. I told him that Trample is an ability your right, but it targets my creature not you.. it just allows the damage to carry over. He still doesn't believe that works that way. Needless to say I beat him and he thinks I cheat now.
Trample is an ability, but it doesn't target ANYTHING. Not you, your opponent or any creature, including itself.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 11:46AM
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Aug 25, 2006
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Trample is static.
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4 years ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 11:49AM
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If something targets, it will always use the word "target" somewhere--if a keyword involves targeting in some way, it will use the word "target" in its reminder text. Trample does not use the word "target" in any way, shape, or form, so it doesn't target.
And so people say to me, "How do I know if a word is real?" You know, anyone who's read a children's book knows that love makes things real. If you love a word, use it! That makes it real. Being in the dictionary is an artificial distinction; it doesn't make the word any more real than any other word. If you love a word, it becomes real.
--Erin McKean, Redefining the Dictionary
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4 years ago ::
Jul 01, 2009 - 12:28PM
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Me and a shop owner argued about this.. and he said fine your right i'm wrong.. I told him that Trample is an ability your right, but it targets my creature not you.. it just allows the damage to carry over. He still doesn't believe that works that way. Needless to say I beat him and he thinks I cheat now.
Trample doesn't target.
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2 years ago ::
Apr 14, 2011 - 11:29AM
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Date Joined:
Apr 14, 2011
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ok well, im lost then taking in all that has been stated i undersstand how it can be misconstrued but what does LETHAL mean?... it means it kills something it dies its dead, so if a trample creature assigns damage say the 6/6 vs the 2/2 example. damage would check for lethal damage there isnt any damage to actually kill it thus it would not roll over it would continuously check for LETHAL damage, i dont know i guess that makes sense to me , not discrediting anyone elses say or opinion but its not lethal ubnless the creature dies to the damage which it does not so therfore NOT lethal
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2 years ago ::
Apr 14, 2011 - 11:43AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 18, 2009
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In Magic: The Gathering, "lethal damage" means "An amount of damage greater than or equal to a creature's toughness." So, 2 damage is lethal damage to a 2/2, even if the 2/2 has protection from the damage's source. Think on it as "potentially" lethal damage, not "already dead" lethal. Also, Trample and Combat Damage don't work the way you think they do. Trample is not "deal too much damage to the blocker and then roll over the excess", it's more like "first assign damage among the blocker(s) and the player, and then it is dealt as assigned". When assigning damage, you take in acount only the blocker's toughness, how much damage it already received (or it is receiving from other creatures it is also blocking), and if the attacker also has deattouch; but not things like damage prevention, regeneration, or being indestructible.
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