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I do agree that even expert sets are designed and templated so that they can be used even by players who don't read the CompRules (and, in fact, the vast majority of players are discouraged from reading them).

However, there are still plenty of situations where the basic rulebook is insufficient to explain how the cards work. In the Lush Growth example, the basic rulebook does indicate that the land can only be tapped for , , or , but I don't see any mention of the land losing the abilities granted by its rules text. So just the basic rulebook doesn't answer what happens when Lush Growth (or Sea's Claim ) is played on a non-basic land like Underground River .

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Flambo wrote:

As it says it keeps it inital mana AND the the other 3, as it states in the card text Enchanted land is a Mountain, Forest, and Plains.

No one else seemed to correct this, but this is wrong. The rule quoted there is why: Lush Growth does not say 'in addition to its other types,' so it doesn't keep its other types. Enchanting Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth would have the same result as having the Tomb + Blood Moon in play: Urborg's ability is dependent and would be lost, and nothing would be a swamp.

I lost the other post, but in reference to the one saying that Jungle Shrine says 'or' while Lush Growth says 'and':

Does Jungle Shrine say, ': Add a Mountain, Forest, or Plains to your mana pool.' or ': Add , , or to your mana pool.'?

Quick hint: The second one is the correct answer.

Does Lush Growth say, 'Enchanted land is a , , and .' or 'Enchanted land is a Mountain, Forest, and Plains.'?

Quick hint: The second one is the correct answer.

Your comparison is flawed because you fall to the same trap that a lot do: You assume a mana symbol is indicative of a land and vice versa. This is not the case. A lushly-grown land has those three land types, and like the Shocklands of Ravnica, each separate basic land type includes a built-in mana ability that is activated by tapping, not triggered when tapped; as such, you can only pay one activation per tap, much like you can only buy one one-dollar goodie per dollar spent.

The initial confusion here in this thread is understandable; the obvious refusal to accept the answer and understand the simple explanations given to help understand that answer is not. Please, do not play devil's advocate here; the question is answered clearly and concisely; with this answer, there is no confusion as to the function of the card. Do not keep this thread going unnecessarily.

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Wahooney wrote:

In response to the whole "that's what the card appears to be saying, I shouldn't have to know the relevant rules" thing:

It is not written anywhere that card text is all you need to know to play. If that was the case, then most cards with keyword abilities wouldn't work.

Look I was done with this forever ago but you morans just won't let it go will you.  Ok then using YOUR WORDS:

From the 10th Edition Rulebook (The one that "teaches you how to play") p.12:
"THE GOLDEN RULE
When a Magic card contradicts the rulebook, the card wins. For example, the rules say you get one
combat phase during each of your turns. But Relentless Assault reads, “After this main phase, there
is an additional combat phase followed by an additional main phase.” Relentless Assault changes
the rules for the turn you play it. One of the things that makes the Magic game fun to play is that
there are individual cards that let you break almost every rule."

So what does that tell me....  hmmm that I SHOULDN'T have to go look at the COMPREHENSIVE RULEBOOK (the one that doesn't teach you how to play) to read the "card".

I've already said that I don't agree with the wording on the card as it says that it is all three and IMO when I "activate" the enchanted card I am activating THE THREE THAT IT IS and thus would produce all three mana.  HOWEVER get over it.  I accept that that is not how the card plays.

Find something better to do with your time than beat a dead horse.

zammm wrote:

Right, it is what the rules say. Because if you go by what the card says, and only what the card says, then it doesn't really do anything at all.

Nowhere on the card does it say that the land is given the ability to tap for colors of mana other than what it could already produce. Nowhere on any card does anything say that changing a land's type will do anything more useful than enabling landwalk. The only thing that tells you that changing the land's type will give it certain abilities is the rules.

The cards tell you what they do. The rules tell you what the heck the cards mean when they do so.

I don't know how this one simple thread got so big and heated but now I'm drawn back in.

Ok so you are then telling me that we can only draw a card when a card tells us to do so?

Again I will quote the 10E Rulebook:
"Where does mana come from? Nearly every land in the game has an ability that produces mana. Basic lands just have a large
mana symbol in their text boxes to show this—you can tap one of them to add one mana of that color to your mana pool."

So it's in the Basic "how to play" rulebook.  So nice try.
Ahh you want to use this quote against me saying that it tells you that you only get one right there?  Nice one...  Again read the "Golden Rule".  The fact that the card says that it's all three should mean you are tapping and activating all three land types and thus produce one of each.

Also I don't really understand this line of thinking that you "first announce which ability you are using..."  That's B.S.  It says right there "you can tap one of them to add one mana..."  It doesn't say "declare you are choosing to use the ability AND THEN PAY THE COST".  That line of thinking is garbage.