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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 11:51AM
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I've read this and I still don't get it. Everyone says the rules for land says this or that. The OFFICIAL RULEBOOK says on page 12 subtitle "The Golden Rule" "When a Magic card contradicts the rulebook, the card wins.", they use Relentless Assault as an Example. The Text on Lush Growth, which is very poorly explained, says "Enchanted land is a Mountain, Forest, and Plains." which says to me when you tap it you add R/G/W to you mana pool. Past examples; Sacred Foundry says "T Add R or W to your mana pool." Or being key whereas Boros Garrison says "T Add RW to your mana pool" no "or" there. Boros Garrison is an example of a land tapping once for more than one mana. So knowing English and AND means AND and OR means OR and citing the "Golden Rule" page 12 official rules, then I say the enchanted land taps for R/G/W otherwise just use a Jungle Shrine and stop people from complaining.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 12:00PM
#42
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A Mountain has the ability "  : add  to your mana pool" A Plains has the ability " : add  to your mana pool" If something is a Mountain and Plains, it will have two abilities: " : add to your mana pool" and " : add to your mana pool" You can only play one of those abilites at a time. Notice the reminder text on Hallowed Fountain 
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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 12:20PM
#43
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Mar 22, 2001
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The Text on Lush Growth, which is very poorly explained, says "Enchanted land is a Mountain, Forest, and Plains." which says to me when you tap it you add R/G/W to you mana pool. Past examples; Sacred Foundry says "T Add R or W to your mana pool." Or being key whereas Boros Garrison says "T Add RW to your mana pool" no "or" there. Boros Garrison is an example of a land tapping once for more than one mana. So knowing English and AND means AND and OR means OR and citing the "Golden Rule" page 12 official rules, then I say the enchanted land taps for R/G/W otherwise just use a Jungle Shrine and stop people from complaining.
The part is red is where you are going wrong. There is a difference between:
When you tap a mountian, it adds to your mana pool. and When a land is a mountain, it has the ability ": Add to your mana pool.- When you play an ability you must do what it says before the colon (":").
- When you resolve an ability, you must do what it says after the colon.
The first is the incorrect explanation. The second is the correct one. A land does not add to your mana pool because it is a mountain and you tap it. It has an ability because it is a mountain. To play that ability, you must tap it. When that ability resolves, it makes . Lush Growth makes a land have three different abilities. They aren't written there, but they are three different abilities. You can only play one at a time.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 12:29PM
#44
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May 16, 2002
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Reminder text was considered for Lush Growth  , but it wasn't possible to write reminder text for the card that was both short and accurate. (Try writing reminder text for a simple land-changing effect like Sea's Claim  and you'll see what I mean.) The development team was strongly encouraged to either move Lush Growth to uncommon or have it grant a mana ability rather than change land types. However, they wanted to keep more mana-fixing cards at common and maintain this interaction with landwalk and other abilities that care about basic land types. Technically, the rules text for Lush Growth should have been "Enchanted land is a Mountain Forest Plains," but that just looked too weird. The two versions mean exactly the same thing under the rules.
Del Laugel
Senior editor, Magic TCG
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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 12:40PM
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In response to the whole "that's what the card appears to be saying, I shouldn't have to know the relevant rules" thing:
It is not written anywhere that card text is all you need to know to play. If that was the case, then most cards with keyword abilities wouldn't work.
L1 Judge
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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 1:16PM
#46
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
Date Joined:
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In addition to all that, what was referred to a "the OFFICIAL RULEBOOK" is really the basic rulebook. It's helpful for telling new players how to play, but it's a gross simplification of the actual rules. Many things there are incomplete or even technically inaccurate. It has no actual authority, so it can't really be used to support an argument.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 1:33PM
#47
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Date Joined:
Aug 22, 2007
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Reply to Condor as far as Sacred Foundry your just repeating what I said.
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Sacred Foundry says "T Add R or W to your mana pool."
Actually, no it doesn't. What you see there is reminder text. It isn't the real ability, it is a shortened version. Sacred Foundry actually has two mana abilities, ": Add to your mana pool" and ": Add to your mana pool." You can play either one of those. Not both. It has them because it has the basic land types Mountain and Plains, not because it has text in parentheses.
The one or the other part is implied by the word OR while it is also a mountain and plains. You also totally ignored the Boros Garrison example. It's a Land that you tap for RW,no space, no OR in there. Thats a land that you tap and add 2 mana to your mana pool. It does have some requirements first though.
To Del Laugel you used Sea's Claim as an example or an enchant land. While the text on that is clear the enchanted land is an island. This is also the case in the Quicksilver Fountain I use with flood counters the land is an island. BUT Lush Growth says AND I see your argument of lands tap for one but again the Jungle Shrine does what you imply the Lush Growth enchantment does BUT it says OR not AND
The card is poorly written just like the original White Wards that cancelled itself. The Card says AND I understand the bonus to landwalk that provides from it being a Mountain, Forest, and Plains in the land counting as them but I say it taps for R/G/W.
Also the says the land is these types not also these types so if you put it on a island or swamp it wouldnt tap for Bl/R/G/W it seems to override the original land. Mycosynth Lattice says "in addition to their other types" Lush Growth doesnt. So again my arguement is the Lush Growth overrides the original land and says AND so going with the Golden Rule I still say it taps for R/G/W
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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 1:39PM
#48
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I really wish when people are told they are wrong they would just accept it. What would you prefer it say: "Enchanted land is a Mountain, Forest, or Plains"? That doesn't exactly make sense. Boros Garrison  taps for both colors at the same time because that's what the ability on the card says it does. Sacred Foundry  , on the other hand, is granted two mana abilities. One for being a plains, and one for being a mountain. The reminder text on the card is not rules text. It is simply there to remind you what the card does. The card would work exactly the same if that text is not there. Beyond that, if you're not going to listen to multiple people telling you you're wrong, including when relevant rules are quoted, there's not a whole lot we can do for you here.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 1:44PM
#49
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4 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2009 - 1:50PM
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I wish Sir-Phobos would actually read what I wrote.
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"What would you prefer it say: "Enchanted land is a Mountain, Forest, or Plains"? That doesn't exactly make sense."
Jungle Shrine says that the Land taps add R/G/ or W to your mana pool and that makes sense. Why? Because it doesn't say AND every example of a dual land I see used says "or" in the reminder or flatly on it. Lush Growth says AND on Jungle Shrine it's not in () so I don't think thats reminder its what the card does, it's simply what it does.
Also general note I don't really ever post anywhere so the autocarding and little symbols is not something I practice.
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