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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 9:07AM
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I'm sorry... I still don't see where it says that you would NOT have all three when you tapped the land. To me you answered me what I thought: "it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type." So it gains each mana type, not which one you CHOOSE before it is tapped. When you tap it you are tapping a Mountain, Forest AND a Plains. You are tapping all 3 in one card.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 9:13AM
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I'm sorry... I still don't see where it says that you would NOT have all three when you tapped the land.
To me you answered me what I thought:
"it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type."
So it gains each mana type, not which one you CHOOSE before it is tapped. When you tap it you are tapping a Mountain, Forest AND a Plains. You are tapping all 3 in one card.
Yes, you are. But why does tapping a Mountain give you  . It's not because you're tapping a Mountain. Mountains don't say "Whenever you tap Mountain, add to your mana pool." Instead, they say " : Add to your mana pool." You get the mana because you're playing the activated ability.
A land enchanted with Lush Growth is a Mountain, Forest, and Plains. So it has three different abilities:
": Add to your mana pool."
": Add  to your mana pool."
": Add  to your mana pool."
You can tap it to play any one of the abilities, but you are playing one of them, so you will not get the benefits of the others.
If I have a vending machine, with the price of "tap" and it has 3 different sodas (, , and ), if I give it a "tap" do I get all 3, or whichever one I chose?
Take a look at a land like Taiga  or Sacred Foundry  . Notice how they are two land types, yet only tap for 1 mana. They simply have two different abilities.
Gerdef
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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 9:14AM
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To me you answered me what I thought:
"it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type."
So it gains each mana type, not which one you CHOOSE before it is tapped. When you tap it you are tapping a Mountain, Forest AND a Plains. You are tapping all 3 in one card.
A land that gains the land types Mountain, Forest and Plains gains three separate abilities. One is the ability to tap it for red mana. One is the ability to tap it for green mana. One is the ability to tap it for white mana.
You can only play one ability at a time. So you announce which ability you're playing and you pay for that ability by tapping the land. Depending on which ability you chose, you get one red mana, one green mana, or one white mana.
You can't play another ability of the same land because the land is now tapped, so you can't pay the cost of the remaining two abilities.
Think of it in terms of a vending machine that sells water, apple juice, and orange juice for a dollar each and you have one dollar. Even though the machine sells water, apple juice AND orange juice, you can only buy water, apple juice OR orange juice.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 9:23AM
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I guess I see what you are saying now... Just the card text to mean means something other than what the rules say. Reading more carefully now and really thinking about it what the card is really saying is "Enchant target land to gain the abilities of..." instead of what it says.
To me it says that if I had a vending machine that sold drinks (using the same analogy) to me the the button said that this button is all three Mountain Dew, Pepsi and Dr. Pepper then either one of two things you would think would happen:
1) It's your lucky day and you are going to get three sodas for the price of one or
2) You are about to play rush and roulette with the soda machine and you don't know which it will spit out at you.
The card text to me sucks because it reads like #1 would be what it gives you however the "rules" will tell you that #2 is really what's happening.
Thanks again.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 9:33AM
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I'm sorry... I still don't see where it says that you would NOT have all three when you tapped the land.
To me you answered me what I thought:
"it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type."
So it gains each mana type, not which one you CHOOSE before it is tapped. When you tap it you are tapping a Mountain, Forest AND a Plains. You are tapping all 3 in one card.
No, you're not. Really.
Go back to Argus's post, and look at the first rule he quoted; 212.6g.
What that rule is telling you is this :[indent]Any land card with the Mountain subtype has the ability ": Add to your mana pool."
Any land card with the Forest subtype has the ability ": Add to your mana pool."
Any land card with the Plains subtype has the ability ": Add to your mana pool."
Any land card with the Island subtype has the ability ": Add  to your mana pool."
Any land card with the Swamp subtype has the ability ": Add  to your mana pool."[/indent]. Those are separate statements.
WTF is that supposed to mean? Does it mean that you are avoiding my question entirely about how it says that it is ALL THREE of them at once.
Argus has a firm belief in treating the rules as the primary source when interpreting a card - see his sig.
A ruling is the application of the rules to a specific card, combination of cards or situation. Rulings can be (and frequently have been) invalidated by changes to the rules. If you come across a ruling you can't understand or that seems to disagree with the rules, the reason is probably htat the rules have been changed.
Also your next "rules" doesn't apply if you READ the example:
"For example, a player can’t sacrifice just one creature to play the activated abilities of two permanents that require sacrificing a creature as a cost."
It's saying that I cannot tap for and play that for two different things.
No, it's not.
An activated ability is an ability with a colon (":") in the Oracle text of the ability. All activated abilities have a colon in, and all abilities with the colon in are activated abilities. The colon separates the cost from the effect; everything prior to the colon is the cost of the ability, and everything after the colon is the effect.
You can only play one activated ability at a time, and you have to pay the full cost of the ability each time you play it. A land enchanted by Lush Growth  has three abilities (see above).
I just don't see how someone can say that if the card says that the enchanted land is a mountain, forest AND plains that you can make it choose only one to give you mana from. ESPECIALLY when you give me the awesome rule of "it gains the appropriate mana ability for each new basic land type" which would mean that it gains the ability to produce one one and one when tapped.
As explained, the rules check separately for each of the basic land types, and each land type adds the full ability to the land, including the cost to use it.
ETA : Sorry to have taken so long to draft that.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 9:38AM
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No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 10:08AM
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You can't pay the cost of all three abilities with one tap of the card. If the card says : Add  to your mana pool : Add  to your mana pool : Add  to your mana pool One Tap = One Mana Again with the soda analogy you put $1 into the machine you won't get all 3 different sodas out you will get the one soda you order. You pay one tap of the enchanted land you won't get all 3 mana, you will get the one of your choice. Stomping Ground  is a Mountain and a Forest but its rules text clearly states : Add or to your mana pool If you tap Adarkar Wastes  you won't get  or you need to choose an effect to use, either get one colorless mana or  and lose one life or and lose one life. You can't play two different abilities using the same tap as the cost.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 10:10AM
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Everyone involved please read Quote #4 in my sig. Calm down, and relax. Magic is a complicated game. noviceuser, I still think the reason you're having a hard time understanding this is because of how you think tapping a land works. If you have a Mountain  and I play Twitch  on it, tapping it. Do you get ? No, you do not, because although a Mountain was tapped, you did not play its ability, so you do not get the effect (Add to your mana pool.) Taiga is a Mountain and a Forest. When I tap it, I am tapping a Mountain and a Forest. It is both. However, just because a Mountain becomes tapped doesn't mean I get . Just because a Forest is tapped doesn't mean I get . I only get the mana because I am playing the ability, the cost of which happens to be tapping the land. Look at some different cards... Taiga , Sacred Foundry , Boros Garrison  . (Boros Garrison does give you two mana, because it says so. It doesn't have any land types, so it doesn't have the inherent abilities.) Gerdef
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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 10:36AM
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Everyone involved please read Quote #4 in my sig. Calm down, and relax. Magic is a complicated game.
noviceuser, I still think the reason you're having a hard time understanding this is because of how you think tapping a land works.
If you have a Mountain and I play Twitch on it, tapping it. Do you get ?
No, you do not, because although a Mountain was tapped, you did not play its ability, so you do not get the effect (Add to your mana pool.)
Taiga is a Mountain and a Forest. When I tap it, I am tapping a Mountain and a Forest. It is both.
However, just because a Mountain becomes tapped doesn't mean I get . Just because a Forest is tapped doesn't mean I get .
I only get the mana because I am playing the ability, the cost of which happens to be tapping the land.
Look at some different cards... Taiga , Sacred Foundry , Boros Garrison . (Boros Garrison does give you two mana, because it says so. It doesn't have any land types, so it doesn't have the inherent abilities.)
Gerdef
Finally someone else on these forums who makes sense and is not an ass about it other than "everyone understands that already, you should too".
Ok so I get what you are saying. But I still don't completely understand... for instance with Taiga the card specifically says "tapp to add either..." which in Magic is the tell all (what the card specifies). So if the card did not specify then what would you THINK you get? For me I would say both because it says that it is both and when you "activate" one BECAUSE it is both it activates BOTH by proxy. Again it "activates" all three because it IS all three. And again it doesn't say like Sacred Foundry that you choose which one you want.
Don't get me wrong... I'll go with it but I don't agree with it and would love for the rules to be more specified to specifically say that it CANNOT BE ALL THREE AT ONCE or something to that extent because like I said the card says it.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 31, 2008 - 10:38AM
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Don't get me wrong... I'll go with it but I don't agree with it and would love for the rules to be more specified to specifically say that it CANNOT BE ALL THREE AT ONCE or something to that extent because like I said the card says it.
That's the thing about the cards, after a while they stop using reminder text for things. (For space issues) If that card was printed in Ravnica block it would probably have the text you are asking for.
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