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inori wrote:

No, actually, it wouldn't. The basic land types are defined by the rules, not by the fact that they appear on basic lands:

You think they need to alter the CR, THEN get to print a new land card? This seems to be what Qamar is arguing, too. if so, as I've argued previously, they could NOT print a Planeswalker without printing the rules for PWs BEFORE the cards are made. If the rules must allow the card to exist before the card can exist (a progression of creation), then PWs (and Progenitus ) would not have been printable at the time they WERE printable. Yet they are. The rules do NOT limit the creation of new subtypes, or R&D would never have tried to create "Barry's Land" in the first place.

Qilong wrote:

You think they need to alter the CR, THEN get to print a new land card? This seems to be what Qamar is arguing, too. if so, as I've argued previously, they could NOT print a Planeswalker without printing the rules for PWs BEFORE the cards are made. If the rules must allow the card to exist before the card can exist (a progression of creation), then PWs (and Progenitus ) would not have been printable at the time they WERE printable. Yet they are. The rules do NOT limit the creation of new subtypes, or R&D would never have tried to create "Barry's Land" in the first place.

Again, you miss the point. Inori was explaining why your notion that any subtype printed on a basic land would thereby be a basic land type is wrong (or at least, why there is no evidence that it is correct).

No-one is arguing that they can't change the CR and print the relevant card (effectively) simultaneously, since that's the way they've been doing it for as long as the CR has been on its current update schedule. Everyone seems convinced that their opponent disagrees with this, but no-one in the discussion actually does disagree with it. If people would take the time to try and understand what other people are saying, this thread would be much shorter and more productive.

jeff-heikkinen wrote:

He is saying they won't, because if they were going to do so, they would have done it in Conflux. They tried, and ran into problems that appear to be insurmountable.

In the other thread where this started, the topic was raised that one of the reasons the land was not printed AS a basic land was that it was too late into the party (the second set) in both iterations to make use of it in all the forms that had to care about it sufficiently. It had to feed into a block theme, and deal with all other basic land and land type matters effects that could consider it. The second set is too late in a block to do this. I personally feel it should be done in the first set, and probably in a land-matters block, although MaRo hoped for another domain block, in which it should be a BLOCK for it and not another domain SET. Since the rules managers, MaRo, and [a lot of the rest of?] R&D seemed to be on board with the land as it was first submitted, the issues HAD to be with the accessory aspects of the card.

Note also that Qamar's argument is contingent on the matter of the basic land type, not the possible existence of the card:

[i]f they ever would print new basic land with new subtype this subtype will not be basic land type.

Note also that I, like Kyrna, do not want to see this card printed, but acknowledge that it can be, and that it can be done so in the set that releases with a CR update that clarifies its existence.

inori wrote:

That's not what I said. What I said is that without altering the CR, a new land type would not be a basic land type simply by virtue of appearing on a basic land - it'd simply be a land type, on the same footing as Lair or Locus . Therefore, it wouldn't count toward Domain effects.

And you may be missing what I am arguing on this small (although particular to this thread) point:

My argument is contingent on the statement that even WERE a new Basic Land with a unique subtype printed, and the card had a statement that argued it's a basic land type, somehow CR 212.6g prevents that subtype from being a basic land type (if at least while it's in play). One of the Golden Rules states, in essence: The card trumps the rules.

Now, it is true that I have argued that the CR will update in accordance with such a printing. I would think it only logical, although as Saethori says, I cannot assume what R&D and the Rules Team will actually DO, but it stands to reason they will update the CR in accordance to such a printing since that is what they've done fairly consistently in the past. So perhaps I am just indulging in wishful thinking, but I would also be making an inference based on past behavior.