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5 years ago  ::  Apr 26, 2008 - 6:34PM #921
Binaural
Date Joined: Aug 21, 2009
Posts: 1,746
Hey gang, I wanted to update you all on the administration portion of this thread. First of all, thank you to everyone who continues to come here and post new ideas and debate card choices, sideboard options and everything else. We never would have hit 31 pages if we didn't have such a large group of dedicated players.

I just hit on something though that is potentially limiting and that is the 31 pages of posts. A lot of us have been around since page 1 and more or less know what has been said but for those who have joined up later, it can be quite overwhelming. To that end, Wulfpak and I are working on the RDL thread 2.0. This thread will still be open, but some time in the near future the new thread will open up (there will be links between the 2 threads for ease in gathering information).

Essentially, the second thread will pick up where this thread leaves off. My goals for the second thread are to continue the debates on card choice and everything else, but I would also like to start seeing people theorize about actual play strategies against specific deck matchups. If people start posting specific combo/plays they have done against specific decks/boards, I think that will be a great benefit to people reading the thread and wondering how to deal with (for example) Doran.

The new thread will also have a spot in the O.P. for tournament results like all the City Champs stuff that just got reported.

Again, thank you for all your work/energy. Until the move, please continue to post in here
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2008 - 12:36AM #922
Zardnaar
Date Joined: Apr 15, 2001
Posts: 8,395

Binaural wrote:

Hey gang, I wanted to update you all on the administration portion of this thread. First of all, thank you to everyone who continues to come here and post new ideas and debate card choices, sideboard options and everything else. We never would have hit 31 pages if we didn't have such a large group of dedicated players.

I just hit on something though that is potentially limiting and that is the 31 pages of posts. A lot of us have been around since page 1 and more or less know what has been said but for those who have joined up later, it can be quite overwhelming. To that end, Wulfpak and I are working on the RDL thread 2.0. This thread will still be open, but some time in the near future the new thread will open up (there will be links between the 2 threads for ease in gathering information).

Essentially, the second thread will pick up where this thread leaves off. My goals for the second thread are to continue the debates on card choice and everything else, but I would also like to start seeing people theorize about actual play strategies against specific deck matchups. If people start posting specific combo/plays they have done against specific decks/boards, I think that will be a great benefit to people reading the thread and wondering how to deal with (for example) Doran.

The new thread will also have a spot in the O.P. for tournament results like all the City Champs stuff that just got reported.

Again, thank you for all your work/energy. Until the move, please continue to post in here


Thanx. I'm gonna try for a storm build version and see if that works. I don't think I need to but you never know.

Reducing a character to a list of dice rolls and modifiers is not role playing*

*pg 30, AD&D 2nd Ed DMG, 1989.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2008 - 7:29AM #923
Wulfpak
Date Joined: Oct 31, 2007
Posts: 474

Binaural wrote:

Hey gang, I wanted to update you all on the administration portion of this thread. First of all, thank you to everyone who continues to come here and post new ideas and debate card choices, sideboard options and everything else. We never would have hit 31 pages if we didn't have such a large group of dedicated players.

I just hit on something though that is potentially limiting and that is the 31 pages of posts. A lot of us have been around since page 1 and more or less know what has been said but for those who have joined up later, it can be quite overwhelming. To that end, Wulfpak and I are working on the RDL thread 2.0. This thread will still be open, but some time in the near future the new thread will open up (there will be links between the 2 threads for ease in gathering information).

Essentially, the second thread will pick up where this thread leaves off. My goals for the second thread are to continue the debates on card choice and everything else, but I would also like to start seeing people theorize about actual play strategies against specific deck matchups. If people start posting specific combo/plays they have done against specific decks/boards, I think that will be a great benefit to people reading the thread and wondering how to deal with (for example) Doran.

The new thread will also have a spot in the O.P. for tournament results like all the City Champs stuff that just got reported.

Again, thank you for all your work/energy. Until the move, please continue to post in here


I'll be working on the thread in a little bit, just a little busy at the moment. But I will have it done by the end of the day!

I need to look up through around 26 pages worth of results too.

Also, Atma said something about putting this in the DtB section. I need to talk to him about it though.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 27, 2008 - 8:11AM #924
Wulfpak
Date Joined: Oct 31, 2007
Posts: 474
Ok... I had some freetime earlier so I made the new thread!

New RDL Thread!
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 30, 2008 - 5:11PM #925
lorddotm
Date Joined: Jul 16, 2008
Posts: 242

videokyd wrote:

I'm taking a break from Magic. I feel I've found one of the better lists of RDL and cannot improve upon it. The last page or 2 sucks, and I'm moving on to a different game; chess. If I return, which I doubt you guys will care about, it will be 1+ year from now.

Good luck, guys.

And lastly, before I post my "final" list, I would like to point out that Binaural is a douche. He is full of himself (haha aren't I?) to the point that I feel the need to point it out. His lack of talent is gross, and feel he needs to concentrate on his family. He does not add, he takes away. "ef" you. I hope I get banned for this post.

Creatures 17
4x Mogg Fanatic
4x Spark Elemental
4x Keldon Marauders
3x Mudbutton Torchrunner
2x Emberwilde Augur

Spells 23
4x Shock
4x Shard Volley
4x Rift Bolt
4x Incinerate
4x Grapeshot
3x Browbeat

3x Mutavault
17x Mountain


Did he get banned for this?

I hope not, because honestly, this is amazing.

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4 years ago  ::  Aug 04, 2009 - 8:48PM #926
Death_Zero
Date Joined: Feb 17, 2007
Posts: 54
This topic is a year old but I feel the need to bring it back to life because of the sheer win of this archetype. I played it back when the cards were standard, now it's extended fare, but I can confirm it still rocks face. Here's my variant that I'm currently using in MTG:O Extended:
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Lands (18):
Mountain x 18

Creatures (14):
Keldon Marauders x4
Mudbutton Torchrunner x4
Greater Gargadon x2
Spark Elemental x2
Storm Entity x2

Other (28):
Browbeat x4
Incinerate x4
Rift Bolt x4
Rite of Flame x4
Shock x4
Grapeshot x2
Needle Drop x2
Pyroclasm x2
Wheel of Fate x2
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The big devastating factor is not just the sheer speed but also the impressive combos that the suspended cards and rite of flame give to Grapeshot and Storm Entity . Here's two examples from games I played just today:

Game 1: 3 Turn Win

Turn 1 Play:
Mountain
Rite of Flame
Rite of Flame
Storm Entity
Storm Entity

I didn't play anything else after that, and I didn't need to. By the end of turn 3 my opponent was at -1 life and shocked at the sheer luck of my opening draw.

Game 2: Turn 1 Concede

Turn 1 Play:
Mountain
Rite of Flame
Rite of Flame
Spark Elemental
Shock
Storm Entity

Faced with the prospect of 10 damage and a 5/5 creature on the very first turn, my opponent quit in frustration.

The real fun of this deck is not the burn, but rather the storm combos. I worked it out and the fastest this deck could theoretically win is 2 turns. In order for this to work, your ideal starting hand would be 1 Mountain , 3 Rite of Flame and 3 Storm Entity . A turn 3 win was exciting, but I'm still waiting for that coveted turn 2 victory.
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 04, 2009 - 10:17PM #927
Redchocobo
Date Joined: Mar 25, 2008
Posts: 2,029
So the deck you are looking for is in Extended Tournament Center and is called Mono-Red Burn.
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 04, 2009 - 10:57PM #928
MedicineHat
Date Joined: Apr 19, 2006
Posts: 2,476
Death Zero, not that Lightning Bolt's been reprinted, there's no reason not to swap out the Shocks in favor of the extra damage point, right?

Glad to hear RDL is still doing well somewhere.
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 06, 2009 - 11:03PM #929
Death_Zero
Date Joined: Feb 17, 2007
Posts: 54
Correct MedicineHat, except I put it back together quick and dirty and didn't take the time to replace the shocks with their obviously superior counterpart.
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4 years ago  ::  Aug 08, 2009 - 4:57PM #930
MedicineHat
Date Joined: Apr 19, 2006
Posts: 2,476
Gotcha. No problem.
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