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SGTDfromMA wrote:

What is suicidal about this deck? well, the phoenix/earthquake/fallouts ate at my life total as well
Look up Suicide Black/Eva Green in Legacy threads.I'm well familiar with the original sui decks
Wait. Goblin Cohort? WW/Kithkin hate, which is arguably, this decks worst match up
Nonsense aside, I did some heavy testing last night. Here are my obsevations:
-Demigod doesn't suck anymore beacause control is back and tokens, as of now, are not poised to be at the top of the metagame. I'm still torn on this card as it just seems slow to me, but testing will tell I suppose.
-Harm's Way is something to fear for red mages. It can swing a game in the hands of a skilled player. Seriously. Make fun of me for saying so now but that card is about to get "good." No, no one should make fun of that. Harm's way is an absolutely deadly card. I underrated it at first but I've lost a couple games already because of a well-timed HW. This card is going to cause problems.
-Run four Fallout MD. Period. Also, run Banefire. Agree on banefire, fallout is more of a meta choice but could possibly be a 4-of MD.
-The super-aggressive, Sligh (and I use that term lightly)-ish builds are not up to snuff. Go for more control-based builds. Stop talking abotu Jund Hackblade and Tattermunge Maniac. I've been wondering about this, but I'm still thinking that the 5cc match up plays better with a faster clock instead of trying to be more controlling. I guess I can proxy up a more controlling build and give it a spin.
-Blightning is not an auto-include but, with the multitude of control decks around, give it more consideration that you were last month. agreed on this point that it can definitely find a home here but I have a hard time justifying removing any of my burn that's already there to play a 3cmc sorcery that cant' hit a creature and nets 2 cards from their hand. Definitely gets more consideration with control being popular. Still, I just don't see it impacting the game a whole lot considering the amount of draw they run. Getting multiples however, can hurt any deck.
-Anathemancer's stock just went up. Just my opinion. couldn't agree with you more on this point. I would consider running it MD as a 3-of with the 4th in your board.

responses in bold.

DarkVisions wrote:

responses in bold.

My comment about Goblin Cohort stems from the fact that the card isn't in Standard.
Fallout is too good not to run right now.
I concede that uber-aggressive Rx decks can beat control but I believe that uncounterable spells and recurrable dudes an as well, all the while having game against the rest of the format and not folding completely to midrange.
But time will tell what the meta even is.
@New OP: If I had to put two lands at the top of the OP, they'd be Dragonskull Summit and Mountain (Unhinged). I'd also put Bolt up there.

DuoShin85 wrote:

He said the Cohort is Mudbrawler Cohort a page or two ago.

yeah, and I missed it against last night, thought you were talking goblin outlander (that's what I read it as) for some reason...yeah, no more trying to do deck edits at 2am lol.

SGTDfromMA wrote:

Roger. Reading is tech.
Regarding Goblin Outlander, btw, I think he's largely unneeded in the upcoming metagame. He's not aggressive and was only good becuase he is tech against WW and tokens and such. Token decks are dead for now and WW won't see the light of day as long as 5CC stays popular.

I tend to agree on the outlander although i might still try to fit a couple in my SB. One thing that does have me a little bit worried is the rising popularity of time sieve combo. Game one you might as well just pick up your cards and move to game 2. hemorrhage and thoughtseize from the board are both excellent options as in pithing needle so game 2 and 3 both look much better, but they're not without answers themselves. That said, even games 2 and 3 will have to have near perfect draws on our part to shut them down quick enough. I wouldn't worry too much about it atm but definitely keep your eyes open because I've seen more and more people around me starting to pick up that deck.

Okay, so after looking at the three top-8 decks in the proposed OP (which really needs a nice banner), I threw together a list. The only difference is that I will not MD Anathemancers for FNM (actually, I can't find mine right now, so I wont run them at all for FNM)

I tend to use my SB for performance AND testing purposes anyways :P

Anyways, here is the list I threw together, based MAINLY on the top-8 decks, as well as what I know from testing.

B/R Aggro

Creatures - 18
4 x Demigod of Revenge -- It seems good again. I see a lot of Lightning Bolt, Terminate, and Maelstrom Pulse, and a little less PtE now.
4 x Hellspark Elemental -- My choice 2-drop. It's 6 damage in one card, and keeps your steam up. Opponents tend to forget it's in the yard.
4 x Boggart Ram-Gang -- Less good with bolt out there, but it's still a good card. If they Path it, power to them, because that's a turn 4 Demigod.
3 x Figure of Destiny -- I'm trying to get #4.
2 x Sygg, River Cutthroat -- I had really good experience when testing this. My list also runs Blightning, so :P
1 x Ball Lightning -- Still want 4 copies. I'd run 2-3, 3-4 with Sygg.

Spells - 18
4 x Lightning Bolt
4 x Flame Javelin
4 x Blightning -- All 3 lists ran it. G/W Tokens seems to be gone, now... meaning WL-Liege. Also, control and midrange are getting more popular. And it's always good to cut down aggro threats.
3 x Volcanic Fallout -- Wouldn't mind finding space for #4, but I think that would mean running 23 lands (acceptable, but I want to test 24 first. I think with Sygg, 23 may be fine)
2 x Magma Spray -- Finks & Noble hate. 3 & 4 in the SB.
1 x Banefire -- #2 in the SB. This should be staple.

Lands - 24 (I will test this, and 23)
11 x Mountain
1 x Swamp -- PtE is pretty common. Sometimes you get black-screwed.
4 x Dragonskull Summit
4 x Auntie's Hovel -- I wish I had more goblins.
4 x Graven Cairns


SIDEBOARD (always subject to change)
4 x Nyxathid -- A bomb vs aggro, especially in the mirror. I also MD Blightning.
4 x Doom Blade -- BFT hate...
3 x Earthquake -- Seeing if it works out. If you play a control-burn syle game 2 and maybe 3, then this card is a bomb. This is something I will be testing.
2 x Magma Spray
1 x Volcanic Fallout -- I want this MD. Maybe in place of a land.
1 x Banefire -- MD-ing 2 is actually acceptable, I've found. Pulls you wins out of your bung-hole.


I'm liking how this list looks. Like I said earlier, I want more copies of FoD and Ball Lightning, so don't bug about that. Otherwise, any comments?