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4 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2009 - 7:56AM
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Banshee, in all fairness your list isn't much different from a Demigod Black list. The difference being that when you shuffle up your MBC list you put on a different hat to play it. When you put on your Demigod Black hat you play aggro, MBC means you play lands and pass the turn. The cards are largely the same.
This is the control list, no one can argue that this list is mid-range or aggro:
// Lands
21 [CHK] Swamp (2)
3 [10E] Terramorphic Expanse
// Creatures
4 [ALA] Viscera Dragger
2 [LRW] Liliana Vess
4 [10E] Steel Golem
// Spells
3 [EVE] Unmake
3 [SHM] Corrupt
4 [LRW] Thoughtseize
3 [LRW] Profane Command
3 [10E] Mind Stone
1 [10E] Loxodon Warhammer
1 [10E] Beacon of Unrest
4 [MOR] Bitterblossom
4 [10E] Terror
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [10E] Bottle Gnomes
SB: 3 [EVE] Stillmoon Cavalier
SB: 1 [MOR] Mind Shatter
SB: 1 [SHM] Midnight Banshee
SB: 3 [ALA] Fleshbag Marauder
SB: 4 [ALA] Infest
BTW, TimeFlip. I love Steel Golem. Thanks for reminding me.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2009 - 8:55AM
#22
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Date Joined:
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// Lands
25 [P2] Swamp (2)
// Creatures
4 [SHM] Dusk Urchins
4 [LRW] Shriekmaw
2 [SHM] Oona, Queen of the Fae
3 [EVE] Ashling, the Extinguisher
4 [SHM] Demigod of Revenge
// Spells
4 [LRW] Thoughtseize
4 [MOR] Bitterblossom
4 [REW] Terror
2 [LRW] Makeshift Mannequin
4 [SHM] Corrupt
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [10E] Cruel Edict
SB: 4 [10E] Deathmark
SB: 3 [SHM] Faerie Macabre
SB: 4 [ALA] Infest
Just thought i'd throw up this list
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4 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2009 - 10:01AM
#23
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2008
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// Lands
25 [P2] Swamp (2)
// Creatures
4 [SHM] Dusk Urchins
4 [LRW] Shriekmaw
2 [SHM] Oona, Queen of the Fae
3 [EVE] Ashling, the Extinguisher
4 [SHM] Demigod of Revenge
// Spells
4 [LRW] Thoughtseize
4 [MOR] Bitterblossom
4 [REW] Terror
2 [LRW] Makeshift Mannequin
4 [SHM] Corrupt
// Sideboard
SB: 4 [10E] Cruel Edict
SB: 4 [10E] Deathmark
SB: 3 [SHM] Faerie Macabre
SB: 4 [ALA] Infest
Just thought i'd throw up this list
This list has a curve to its creatures... with enough mana to support Corrupt. I'd call it a Demiblack deck, not MBControl. Check the Tournament Center for Demigod Black, I'm sure you've seen it.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2009 - 4:37PM
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Well in all fairness, Niche, what would you say if I posted this in your Demigod Black thread? We'd gone through that with other posters - and you know this. The cards may be similar, but the playstyle is totally off. Small changes like adding Stillmoons and Corrupts largely changes how the deck plays.
I feel that this playstyle is different, despite the similarities, and to keep the decklists focused, and spearate, we'll get more, better, and on-key suggestions.
Like I said earlier in the thread: Stick any name tag you want on this. But it is what it is, it plays how it plays, and my point is that it wins.
Now can we get off the "it's not MBC" bandwagon here? It's boring.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2009 - 4:41PM
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Date Joined:
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Well in all fairness, Niche, what would you say if I posted this in your Demigod Black thread? We'd gone through that with other posters - and you know this. The cards may be similar, but the playstyle is totally off. Small changes like adding Stillmoons and Corrupts largely changes how the deck plays.
I feel that this playstyle is different, despite the similarities, and to keep the decklists focused, and spearate, we'll get more, better, and on-key suggestions.
Like I said earlier in the thread: Stick any name tag you want on this. But it is what it is, it plays how it plays, and my point is that it wins.
Now can we get off the "it's not MBC" bandwagon here? It's boring.
We need more CA, I think the best way of doing that is the Retrace draw, where every card is a spell, either an actual spell, or pitch for reatrace, loop with crucible FTW.....
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4 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2009 - 4:45PM
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We need more CA, I think the best way of doing that is the Retrace draw, where every card is a spell, either an actual spell, or pitch for reatrace, loop with crucible FTW.....
I'd play it if I had enough space, and if I found making them discard one card of their choice meant something. As it stands, though, it really feels like Raven's Crime just sucks unless you Retrace it a couple times -- and losing the land drops isn't that great in this deck.
Raven's Crime is a more aggressive card, I think. I think Syphon Mind > Raven's Crime in control.
They really should have printed a 1 Terror with retrace at uncommon. You know, make ONE of the spells with that mechanic playable?
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4 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2009 - 4:49PM
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Date Joined:
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I wouldn't say it's true MBC. More like the best we can manage in the current meta. But I'll take half a loaf over no loaf.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 28, 2009 - 5:41PM
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I wouldn't say it's true MBC. More like the best we can manage in the current meta. But I'll take half a loaf over no loaf.
It controls the board, and it wins. That's why I made the thread, and that's why I named it MBC.
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4 years ago ::
Jan 29, 2009 - 6:07PM
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Date Joined:
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Any thoughts on Wretched Banquet  ? It can sometimes be a 1-mana edict effect, although I realize that often it won't hit what you want it to. Also, what do you guys think is the graveyard hate of choice? Relic of Progenitus  , Shadowfeed  , Beckon Apparition  , or something else? I'm thinking that Shadowfeed seems to be helpful vs. RDW and at the same time it takes care of cards sitting in the GY. Finally, I have a rather noobish question about Crucible of Worlds  and retrace. The strength of the combo lies in the idea that you can re-play the lands you pitch to retrace, correct? Just wanted to confirm that you can't "discard" lands already in the graveyard to reuse retrace. btw, I'm very happy to see this archetype discussion coming back!
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4 years ago ::
Jan 29, 2009 - 6:12PM
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Any thoughts on Wretched Banquet ? It can sometimes be a 1-mana edict effect, although I realize that often it won't hit what you want it to.
Also, what do you guys think is the graveyard hate of choice? Relic of Progenitus , Shadowfeed , Beckon Apparition , or something else? I'm thinking that Shadowfeed seems to be helpful vs. RDW and at the same time it takes care of cards sitting in the GY.
Finally, I have a rather noobish question about Crucible of Worlds and retrace. The strength of the combo lies in the idea that you can re-play the lands you pitch to retrace, correct? Just wanted to confirm that you can't "discard" lands already in the graveyard to reuse retrace.
btw, I'm very happy to see this archetype discussion coming back!
Beckon Apparition is better in more aggressive, or B/W Mimic decks. That is ruled out here.
Between Shadowfeed and Relic, it's a meta call. I suppose I should point that out. Shadowfeed is better against 1-shot reanimation, and demigod, and red (with demigod). Relic is better against Lark.
EDIT: and yea, Crucible is good so that every land you draw is a discard spell AND STILL a land drop. Another big aspect of Crucible is being able to bring back Terramorphic Expanse to pull the lands out of your deck so that you don't draw them.
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