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4 years ago  ::  May 06, 2009 - 10:35PM #1051
Sliver21
Date Joined: Mar 30, 2001
Posts: 321
Its not that boat brew is necessarily bad in this format. Its more that it just doesn't get much from ARB and people are experimenting with all the new fancy things.

I expect boat brew, in some form or fashion, to continue to be a player in the new format, even if it isn't as dominant as it was before.
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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 12:43PM #1052
Nick_mi
Date Joined: Dec 1, 2008
Posts: 233
I'm going to regionals up in minnesota and I'm having a really really tough time trying to figure out what I want for my sideboard. Here's my deck/sb


// Lands
4 [LRW] Windbrisk Heights
4 [10E] Battlefield Forge
4 [EVE] Rugged Prairie
2 [UNH] Mountain
5 [UNH] Plains
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
// Creatures
4 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
4 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
4 [10E] Mogg Fanatic
3 [10E] Siege-Gang Commander
3 [MOR] Reveillark
3 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
1 [LRW] Flamekin Harbinger
1 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tender
3 [ALA] Knight of the White Orchid
2 [LRW] Knight of Meadowgrain
// Spells
4 [SHM] Spectral Procession
4 [CNF] Path to Exile
1 [CNF] Banefire
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tenderboatbrew, burn, jund cascade deck, blightning beatdown
SB: 1 [CNF] BanefireFaes, homebrew, swans, 5cc
SB: 2 [10E] Wrath of Godtokens, boatbrew, kitkkin
SB: 4 [CNF] Volcanic Falloutfae, 5cc, tokens, boatbrew, homebrew, kithkin
SB: 3 [ALA] Oblivion RingJund, boatbrew, fae,
SB: 2 [EVE] Stillmoon Cavaliertokens, kithkin

I want to be able to beat every top deck out there are the moment, but I feel like I am missing out on vexxing shusher or gut response. Only problem is, the only thing I can see taking out is the o-rings, but then my deck just screams "Get raped by enchantments and artifacts"
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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 12:53PM #1053
Rat_Bastardsen
Date Joined: Sep 15, 2007
Posts: 2,739

Nick_mi wrote:

I'm going to regionals up in minnesota and I'm having a really really tough time trying to figure out what I want for my sideboard. Here's my deck/sb


// Lands
4 [LRW] Windbrisk Heights
4 [10E] Battlefield Forge
4 [EVE] Rugged Prairie
2 [UNH] Mountain
5 [UNH] Plains
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
// Creatures
4 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
4 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
4 [10E] Mogg Fanatic
3 [10E] Siege-Gang Commander
3 [MOR] Reveillark
3 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
1 [LRW] Flamekin Harbinger
1 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tender
3 [ALA] Knight of the White Orchid
2 [LRW] Knight of Meadowgrain
// Spells
4 [SHM] Spectral Procession
4 [CNF] Path to Exile
1 [CNF] Banefire
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tenderboatbrew, burn, jund cascade deck, blightning beatdown
SB: 1 [CNF] BanefireFaes, homebrew, swans, 5cc
SB: 2 [10E] Wrath of Godtokens, boatbrew, kitkkin
SB: 4 [CNF] Volcanic Falloutfae, 5cc, tokens, boatbrew, homebrew, kithkin
SB: 3 [ALA] Oblivion RingJund, boatbrew, fae,
SB: 2 [EVE] Stillmoon Cavaliertokens, kithkin

I want to be able to beat every top deck out there are the moment, but I feel like I am missing out on vexxing shusher or gut response. Only problem is, the only thing I can see taking out is the o-rings, but then my deck just screams "Get raped by enchantments and artifacts"


What artifacts/enchantments are you concerned about? Many decks have dropped Naturalize-like cards altogether - many white decks have dropped Wispmare. Glorious Anthems in BW Tokens are a problem for this deck. You can take them all out at once with Tempest of Light . However, they've now added Zealous Persecution to their arsenal - big trouble for the most common Boat Brew decks. To combat that you could add your own Anthems, Goldmane, or both.
But maybe there are other specific artifacts/enchantments that worry you.

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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 12:57PM #1054
Nick_mi
Date Joined: Dec 1, 2008
Posts: 233
I also have them in there for instant planeswalker kill. But I used to mainboard ajani G untill about a week ago, and then I finally caved in and took him out. I'm just wondering what I should replace the o-rings with.-
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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 1:09PM #1055
swoop2004
Date Joined: Apr 6, 2008
Posts: 474

Nick_mi wrote:

I'm going to regionals up in minnesota and I'm having a really really tough time trying to figure out what I want for my sideboard. Here's my deck/sb


// Lands
4 [LRW] Windbrisk Heights
4 [10E] Battlefield Forge
4 [EVE] Rugged Prairie
2 [UNH] Mountain
5 [UNH] Plains
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
// Creatures
4 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
4 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
4 [10E] Mogg Fanatic
3 [10E] Siege-Gang Commander
3 [MOR] Reveillark
3 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
1 [LRW] Flamekin Harbinger
1 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tender
3 [ALA] Knight of the White Orchid
2 [LRW] Knight of Meadowgrain
// Spells
4 [SHM] Spectral Procession
4 [CNF] Path to Exile
1 [CNF] Banefire
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tenderboatbrew, burn, jund cascade deck, blightning beatdown
SB: 1 [CNF] BanefireFaes, homebrew, swans, 5cc
SB: 2 [10E] Wrath of Godtokens, boatbrew, kitkkin
SB: 4 [CNF] Volcanic Falloutfae, 5cc, tokens, boatbrew, homebrew, kithkin
SB: 3 [ALA] Oblivion RingJund, boatbrew, fae,
SB: 2 [EVE] Stillmoon Cavaliertokens, kithkin

I want to be able to beat every top deck out there are the moment, but I feel like I am missing out on vexxing shusher or gut response. Only problem is, the only thing I can see taking out is the o-rings, but then my deck just screams "Get raped by enchantments and artifacts"


if you are that worried about enchantment/artifacts..... then why not run Duergar Hedge-Mage you can fit him in by replacing the reflecting pools with mountains.... still a 3 cost although you are more likely to hit the enchantment than the artifact....

I do have a random question about this deck however, why do i keep seeing stillmoon in the board? he works against token, boatbrew, half of blightning, can't be blocked by over half of 5 color control....

the only thing I can reason is that it is expected to die to a mog fanatic vs boatbrew or blightning.... perhaps I am wrong....

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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 1:11PM #1056
Nick_mi
Date Joined: Dec 1, 2008
Posts: 233
I'm only throwing in two, but they are amazing against the decks they're put in there for.
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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 1:17PM #1057
Rat_Bastardsen
Date Joined: Sep 15, 2007
Posts: 2,739

swoop2004 wrote:

if you are that worried about enchantment/artifacts..... then why not run Duergar Hedge-Mage you can fit him in by replacing the reflecting pools with mountains.... still a 3 cost although you are more likely to hit the enchantment than the artifact....

I do have a random question about this deck however, why do i keep seeing stillmoon in the board? he works against token, boatbrew, half of blightning, can't be blocked by over half of 5 color control....

the only thing I can reason is that it is expected to die to a mog fanatic vs boatbrew or blightning.... perhaps I am wrong....


I ran Forgetender and Stillmoon MD when the 5CC-Wall deck was brand new - Forgetender helped more than Stillmoon. But I was running Vengeant (not Goldmane), and no Anthems - if you can get Stillmoon out of range of Volcanic Fallout he'd be outstanding against 5CC.

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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 1:41PM #1058
Nick_mi
Date Joined: Dec 1, 2008
Posts: 233
Well I used to run them. Believe it or not this deck originally started out as the eventide r/w untap theme deck. Then I slowly worked it to this. I used to run glorious anthems and ajani goldmanes and they just didn't work out well enough. But I'm still looking for opinions on whether or not people think I should throw in guts.
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4 years ago  ::  May 07, 2009 - 2:07PM #1059
Rat_Bastardsen
Date Joined: Sep 15, 2007
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Nick_mi wrote:

Well I used to run them. Believe it or not this deck originally started out as the eventide r/w untap theme deck. Then I slowly worked it to this. I used to run glorious anthems and ajani goldmanes and they just didn't work out well enough. But I'm still looking for opinions on whether or not people think I should throw in guts.


I always did great with Goldmane against most decks. In the 5CC thread players opine that Ajani V. is not the threat he used to be - Celestial Purge, ya know. And Pithing Needle, which of course can shut off Ajani G too - if it isn't dropped before the guy appears, guessing Vengeant. Anthem would seem to be good also, again, considering BW Tokens Anthems, and their Zealous Persecution. BW Tokens is a deck you know you'll see a lot of.

Then there's the version of Boat Brew that runs 2 WoG main and 2 SB. We put that deck together at our local card shop to be part of the gauntlet, and everyone who has played it has gotten great use out of the WoG, and sided in the other 2 eagerly second game. It's not too hard to make sure a WoG is to your advantage, but it is only temporary relief from tokens, especially if they have a Bitterblossom in play.

Attitude reflects leadership.

Vindicated!
* HawkBlade is aggro/control!
* Post-ban HawkBlade!
* Jace, the Mind Sculptor is good!
* End-of-Lorwyn TurboFog!

‘Everything that needs to be said has already been said. But since no one was listening, everything must be said again.’ – André Gide

'...but if you're repeating yourself in an online forum, chances are you're just feeding a troll.' - Rat Bastardsen
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4 years ago  ::  May 08, 2009 - 2:18AM #1060
MrIndigo
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Date Joined: Mar 27, 2003
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Wrath is an easy card to side in, and it often appears to be doing a good job, when it's really not.

Wrath lets you get out of doing tricky combat math at the expense of reducing your ability to play effectively in the first place.

All in all, though, I don't think Wrath is even worth SBing now even where you used to. WB Tokens will not even blink, and their use of ZP will be a huge hit. You will be much more reliant on guys like Figure of Destiny in that matchup.

Nov 4, 2010 -- 9:11AM, Niche wrote:

Nov 3, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Razorgore wrote:

It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.



It should be about giving black cards to Niche.

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