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5 years ago ::
Oct 26, 2008 - 4:01PM
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^I would not splash for Ultimatum, because that will make this deck considerably slower and end up as a worse version of Toast. No Ultimatum is good against Faeries; Toast sides them out against Fae, because of how useless they are in that match up.The way to beat Toast and Fae is to be highly disruptive. The best way to disrupt an opponent is to get started in the first couple turns, if possible.
I don't like Cruel Ultimatum in this deck, because it will slow the deck down too much for what it's trying to do. If you splash red for it, you might as well play Firespout, and the best way to maximize utility out of Firespout is to play green. Now you are playing five colors, so you should play all of the best spells--welcome to Toast.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 26, 2008 - 5:44PM
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^I would not splash for Ultimatum, because that will make this deck considerably slower and end up as a worse version of Toast. No Ultimatum is good against Faeries; Toast sides them out against Fae, because of how useless they are in that match up.The way to beat Toast and Fae is to be highly disruptive. The best way to disrupt an opponent is to get started in the first couple turns, if possible.
I don't like Cruel Ultimatum in this deck, because it will slow the deck down too much for what it's trying to do. If you splash red for it, you might as well play Firespout, and the best way to maximize utility out of Firespout is to play green. Now you are playing five colors, so you should play all of the best spells--welcome to Toast.
i 'spose you're right, ah well. it was just a test anyway, i'll update my list later on with no ultimatum
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5 years ago ::
Oct 26, 2008 - 10:00PM
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May 26, 2008
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I think mutavault is really good in these lists especially the non cryptic variants you only need to go double B/W/U in any case and filter lands hit that mutavault is really good.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 26, 2008 - 10:03PM
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^I don't think I would try Mutavault in this deck. The deck seems to very color hungry, and I'd rather have a stable manabase. If you do try it, I'd say cap it at 2.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 27, 2008 - 2:17AM
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I was actually running Cruel Ultimatum as a two of for a while, and it was ok, but I would rather have Two more creatures.
Has anyone tested Knight-Captain of Eos with Elspeth?
I have been using 3x Knight-Captain 2x Elspeth and I really like it. Infinite fogs are annoying, but it can win games, so try it out. I will post my list tomorrow and see what you guys think about it.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 27, 2008 - 11:44AM
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i agree, mutavault really doesn't fit in here, this deck is too color intensive IMO.
@NachoTheGreat: I really like Knight Captain of Eos, not sure about the inclusion of Elspeth but I'm still really interested in seeing your list.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 27, 2008 - 1:28PM
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May 26, 2008
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I like the idea of the soft lock against aggro it seems really interesting...if Knight-Captain could sac to himself it would be infinitely better.
And honestly this deck isn't that color hungry past turn 3 or 4 mutavault can sneak in damage against toast and has good synergy with sower. I run cryptic in my testing list and I am doing fine with vault and mindstone.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 27, 2008 - 5:36PM
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Jun 30, 2006
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5 years ago ::
Oct 27, 2008 - 6:17PM
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Can you talk about your sideboard a bit?
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5 years ago ::
Oct 27, 2008 - 6:22PM
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Well, the agony warps, firespouts, remove souls, and condemn are sided in against various forms of aggro. Esper charm, negate, and Oona are for control. Warhammer, well just because. I could use some advice for it.
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