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4 years ago  ::  Jun 01, 2009 - 6:50PM #1541
TheBanshee
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Niche wrote:

Yes there is, but I'll point out the mistakes below.

Fine and good.


I already stated that the list wasn't streamlined Throw in your CC hate. It's not big in my meta.

He's very meh and not good enough to add red alone. So the real reasons must be below.


He's better than Viscera Dragger. He's better than Ashenmoor Gouger, who could still see play here. He's better than a LOT of the 3-drops black has.

There he is. But as a 3x? Not interested.


I had a hard time finding space for #4, and was too lazy. Again, the list isn't streamlined. If you want 4, makes space.

Even Blightning doesn't use Blightning. The card is garbage. And as for Terminate, lets not and say we didn't.


Blightning doesn't use Blightning because to Blightning, Blightning is just 3 to the dome. We would use Blightning because it's good with Thoughtseize, good with the Rats if you decide to keep them, and is great with Nyxathid if you ever bothered to test the two together. It improves this deck's Faerie mathc-up, which DOES suck no matter what you try and say.

And you wrote off Terminate is if it weren't even there.

Yep, its easy to fix, but why bother? Lets turn anathemancer off.


If you're afraid of losing to Anathemancer, and that's your reason to run mono-black, then that's your perrogative. 4 borderpost/terramophic, 4 cairns would porbably suffice if you're worried about it.

So the real power from adding red is in the sideboard? Nah, its not good enough, sorry.


Again, it hasn't been streamlined. But even as it is, I look at the two decks, and the mono-black version is just... blah.

You wrote Anathemancer off too, as if it means nothing. This deck would have an attrocious match-up against B/W tokens if they ever met. Here's at least a little bit of salvation against them.

No, its not. There's no broken wins, and blightning is bad bad bad. And adding red you didn't even add an answer for the bane of our existence, CC.


It's the same thing with a more solid creature base. Blightning being "bad bad bad" is a pretty useless statement. And you claim that because RDW didn't run Blightning, that no deck should? Are the even the same decks? Is this list I'm proposing a R/B aggro variant? Not even close. Seriously.

And if you NEED an answer to CC, choose one.

+1 Something derogatory.


Clever.

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2009 - 8:25AM #1542
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Guess ill stick with the monoblack Demigod and keep the red cards to try to make the Grixis Machine head :D
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4 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2009 - 10:44AM #1543
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Demigod Black M10

Creatures:2 x 0
4 x *Black Knight
4 x *Ashenmoor Gouger
4 x *Vampire Nocturnus
4 x *Demigod of Revenge
4 x *Viscera Dragger

Spells:1 x 6
3 x *Thoughtseize
3 x *Duress
4 x *Terror
3 x *Profane Command
3 x *Corrupt

Lands:
24 x *Swamp


Sideboard

4 x *Deathmark
4 x *Fleshbag Marauder
4 x *Infest
3 x *Incremental Blight


Just a proposed list. I'm guessing the meta won't change much from now until M10 hits... but when I said our most problematic positions were the 2 and 4 drops... I decided to look at a new take. Obviously we're going to use Black Knight in aggressive mono black deck. He's the nuts. And I decided tossing the loxodons to stay pure mono-b would I suppose make the vampire worth trying. I'm 100% sure he's garbage, however. Dragger can manipulate the topdeck a little to ensure he's a 5/4 flyer and not a 3/3 lamer.... when its appropriate.

So this'll have a decent game against pretty much everything. I don't make uncompetitive mono black decks.


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4 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2009 - 12:19PM #1544
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Niche wrote:

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Quick question. Is Black Knight worth running? I remember we had this sense of excitement when Stillmoon Cavalier was first introduced but he didn't really dramatically improve this deck, did he? And isn't Stillmoon better than Knight?

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4 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2009 - 12:25PM #1545
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MTG-Fan wrote:

Quick question. Is Black Knight worth running? I remember we had this sense of excitement when Stillmoon Cavalier was first introduced but he didn't really dramatically improve this deck, did he? And isn't Stillmoon better than Knight?


Despite what TheBanshee says, Stillmoon is bad in this deck. His CC fights with more aggressive 3 drops like Gouger or even Urchins. And if you're pumping him you're not playing out your curve. As a sideboard card, he hates on a great deal of stuff though, so he's fine there.

Black Knight as a 2 drop has 2 very relevant abilities... and we've literally got nothing useful at 2cc in mono black. He's a fantastic response to KoM or KotWO... or K-Finks.... or Outlander, or Stigma Lasher, or Hellspark, or Tidehollow Sculler, or RWM, or Doran, or well... you get the idea. Looking at that list he's actually better than I thought... I forgot how he gives RWM and Doran the finger. EDIT: And he ignores Plumeveil, Wall of Reverence, and Wall of Denial.

His use as a fire and forget card is great, letting us spend mana on Gougers and even that vampire... into Demigod blowouts. I think he'll be great.



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4 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2009 - 12:36PM #1546
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Hmmm. I guess he does dodge Path to Exile . And this deck definitely was in sore need of a decent 2-drop.... Hmmmmm.
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4 years ago  ::  Jun 05, 2009 - 4:27PM #1547
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Niche wrote:

Spoiler Warning. Most you're getting from me.

































Demigod Black M10

Creatures:2 x 0
4 x *Black Knight
4 x *Ashenmoor Gouger
4 x *Vampire Nocturnus
4 x *Demigod of Revenge
4 x *Viscera Dragger

Spells:1 x 6
3 x *Thoughtseize
3 x *Duress
4 x *Terror
3 x *Profane Command
3 x *Corrupt

Lands:
24 x *Swamp


Sideboard

4 x *Deathmark
4 x *Fleshbag Marauder
4 x *Infest
3 x *Incremental Blight


Just a proposed list. I'm guessing the meta won't change much from now until M10 hits... but when I said our most problematic positions were the 2 and 4 drops... I decided to look at a new take. Obviously we're going to use Black Knight in aggressive mono black deck. He's the nuts. And I decided tossing the loxodons to stay pure mono-b would I suppose make the vampire worth trying. I'm 100% sure he's garbage, however. Dragger can manipulate the topdeck a little to ensure he's a 5/4 flyer and not a 3/3 lamer.... when its appropriate.

So this'll have a decent game against pretty much everything. I don't make uncompetitive mono black decks.




Hmmm, this deck reminds me of something, cant put my finger on it.......

Nah must be nothing.

Also I would just say cut the vampire and run shriekmaw for some added removal.
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4 years ago  ::  Jun 06, 2009 - 9:48PM #1548
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OMG! Duress? Thats great news

BTw, why not Nyxathid over gouger?
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4 years ago  ::  Jun 06, 2009 - 11:02PM #1549
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My current build. I call it the Grease Monkey lol. It just flows so well and you have all the tools you need.

Creatures (20)

4 Ashenmoor Gouger
4 Demigod of Revenge
4 Dusk Urchins
4 Fleshbag Marauder
4 Viscera Dragger

Spells (18)

4 Corrupt
2 Infest
2 Loxodon Warhammer
3 Nameless Inversion
3 Profane Command
4 Raven's Crime

Lands (22)

22 Swamp

Sideboard (15)

4 Bottle Gnomes
2 Infest
3 Relic of Progenitus
3 Terror
3 Unmake

(my repost from Banshee's MBC thread)

Try this out. I know at first glance the creature selection will make you second guess yourself, but give it a try. I've been testing out mono black for months now and I must say this really satisfies me and I'll be comfortable taking this to my FNM this Friday. I will post in this thread on how well I did.
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4 years ago  ::  Jun 07, 2009 - 12:06AM #1550
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Why are you posting it in both threads!? Your just adding confusion to an already confused set of threads.
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