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5 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2008 - 5:25PM
#11
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I remain convinced the +2/+0 is win-more and completely unneeded.
The only thing I disagree with in your analysis. Having playtested with it, it's incredibly potent. Has won me many games that I wouldn't have otherwise.
Everything else you stated I agree with fundamentally, though depending on the matchup and situation, Firespout can be better than wrath. Wrath is usually better though.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2008 - 10:56PM
#12
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Date Joined:
May 27, 2005
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Hmm, I'm trying to stay off the faeries since I was completly obsessive with this deck.
Anyway, on matchups my main concern is both WW and the creation of new and powerful midrange decks. (Largely unplayable due to Visions and snags)
Blossom is now easier for toast to deal with as well.
That said the deck gains some of the rogue bonus as faeries are no longer tier 1.
I'll whip together esper faeries for some playtesting.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 12, 2008 - 11:31PM
#13
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Date Joined:
Jun 17, 2008
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I think we need a discution about terror. Agony warp is nice, but I somehow miss killing a thresher/pumped figure for 2 mana...
I thought the reason we stop playing it was that RDW was everywhere and that terror dosnt hit gouger/demigod... But now that RDW isnt really a bad MU anymore, shouldn't we consider it back?
If you look at shards from terror perspective :
- Broodmate dragon is black, but you can still hit the token.
- Could produce a halfly decent zombie deck, in where terror would be really bad.
- Rhox war monk, stoic angel and wooly thoctar are really scared of terror.
- QnT makes a big comeback, and being able to efficiently kill threshers might prove very important.
Overall I think that terror has gotten alot of value in shards... Only sprouting thrinax (that you don't really wanna spot removal aniway) sees alot of play.
Also, colosus isn't really a problem anymore for 3-5 color fae... grixis fae has a faster kill than the decks running colosus and UBw has GAME BREAKING sideboard against it (runed halo). So thats one less target we have to consider when choosing to run terror or not.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2008 - 6:39AM
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Date Joined:
Jan 25, 2008
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my sideboard for this deck:
4 wrath of god
4 kitchen finks
4 thoughtseize
3 jace beleren
maybe
condemn ???
runed halo ???
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5 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2008 - 10:48AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 10, 2007
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after thinking about it esper fae seems way stronger than grixis it has access to one of the best point removal spells in standard condemn  it does not have to play its card draw at instant speed and has MD bitterblossom hate via esper charm  it has better mass removal wrath of god 
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5 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2008 - 11:08AM
#16
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Date Joined:
Jun 15, 2006
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http://sales.starcitygames.com//deckdat … ckID=26560This cool guy did OK at the win-a-cruise SCG tournament. I hear he almost top 8'ed, then a topdecked cruel ultimatum saved his opponent. I hear that stillmoon cavalier was absolutely gamebreaking for him all day long, so the OP might consider adding it to a list somewhere. He told me that in retrospect he wishes he had sideboarded one of the condemns and maindecked the 4th esper charm, since he ran into toast all day long. He'd also revise his sb to: 3x Scion Of Oona (sb for mirror, pretty useless against toast's mass removal) 4x negate (SB for toast, they don't run many creatures.) 1x Condemn (Side in this fourth one vs nonexistant aggro) 1x Oona's Grace (Explained below) 3x Infest (He only sided in damnation vs kithkin. this does the job) 3x fulminator mage (He hates toast badly.) Or something similar that hates a little harder on toast. The oona's grace is for the toast matchup, since you are guaranteed a late game and really need to not run out of gas. MD condemn makes demigod deck wins not quite as backbreaking. Fae preys upon Bant control. I personally like esper fae over grixis fae because the added aggression of grixis fae kind of runs that deck straight into brick walls of toast.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2008 - 12:04PM
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Date Joined:
Jun 17, 2008
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I personally like esper fae over grixis fae because the added aggression of grixis fae kind of runs that deck straight into brick walls of toast.
Actually its still a good matchup, especially when you side in jaces/esper charms (Yes, grixis fae has access to those too).
Now stillmoon cavalier... How is he in the QnT MU? In the token MU? If the awnser is "good" to both of those questions, I guess he's worthy of consideration.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2008 - 12:35PM
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Date Joined:
Sep 28, 2005
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Hmm, I'm trying to stay off the faeries since I was completly obsessive with this deck.
Anyway, on matchups my main concern is both WW and the creation of new and powerful midrange decks. (Largely unplayable due to Visions and snags)
Blossom is now easier for toast to deal with as well.
That said the deck gains some of the rogue bonus as faeries are no longer tier 1.
I'll whip together esper faeries for some playtesting.
If Midrange becomes a strong part of the Meta, we may have to move to WUB so we'll have Wrath. Whilst I haven't tested WW myself, testing from MTGS seems to say it's not too bad. Their favour G1, ours G2/G3 since we can board in Infest.
I don't agree about it not being Tier 1; toast and Faeries are shaping up to be the best decks (so far). The SCG 5K and States will tell us more.
Thamoo: I see what you're saying, but Agony Warp can deal with a FoD as well. I dunno. I've been very, very pleased with Agony Warp overall. It screws up combat math so much it's not funny, and often is a 2-for-1. Terror and Nameless will always be one-for-one.
ChronicleEdge: Wow, thank you for that list. I'll definitely add it to the OP along with an explanation of some of the card choices.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2008 - 12:44PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 10, 2007
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is infest really better than WoG against kithkin i would assume killing figures that are 4/4 or bigger and double lords would be worth the 1 extra mana not to mention the fact that it is better against Demigod Red and doran and elves and any other type of midrange deck
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5 years ago ::
Oct 13, 2008 - 1:02PM
#20
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Date Joined:
Jun 15, 2006
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I don't have problems with a few exceptionally big creatures. Those I can condemn, counter, use bitterblossom or stillmoon to fend off indefinitely. The problem is the weenie swarm. If i can take care of the sigiled paladin, knight of meadowgrain, and wizened cenn in one go, im happy.
Stillmoon is VERY good in the qnt matchup, and the more charms they run the better he is. For example, in one of my matches I thoughtseized a qnt hand that had naya charm, bant charm, wog, and cryptic. I took the wog, played cavalier, and he went almost the whole way. Not to mention immunity to archon is awesome, and I even had one game where dropping stillmoon brought the game to a halt since the qnt pilot wouldnt attack into him with double finks.
Most of the tokens lists I see run bitterblossom. He races bitterblossom super well. I don't have AS much experience against the token matchup with stillmoon, but i can't imagine him being bad.
Completely unrelated, I've been considering a transitional lark sb:
3x lark
3x archmage
4x fulminator mage
3x jace beleren
2x infest
untested, but seems promising. To me. LD and negate on crack, with recursion, seems promising to me vs toast. in comparison to my other proposed sb:
3x Scion Of Oona (only real loss, since he is a mirror-breaker)
4x negate (archmage>?)
1x Condemn (meh, singleton)
1x Oona's Grace (jace >)
3x Infest (remains)
3x fulminator mage (remains)
Seems like a pretty narrow sb, and could probably use a 3rd infest. But I mean, sunday at SCG was at least 50% toast. Not even lying.
What do you guys think?
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