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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 8:50AM #51
helixrat
Date Joined: Nov 19, 2006
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How do you feel about Rite of Consumption ? It turns a sac'd creature into a corrupt for two. I can see using this as a finisher against someone with the ground clogged up, and Korlash not being able to push through for lethal. Sac him, and it is a corrupt for 2.
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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 8:55AM #52
Niche
Date Joined: Apr 25, 2008
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helixrat wrote:

How do you feel about Rite of Consumption ? It turns a sac'd creature into a corrupt for two. I can see using this as a finisher against someone with the ground clogged up, and Korlash not being able to push through for lethal. Sac him, and it is a corrupt for 2.


If you're having trouble pushing Korlash through, this is the answer.



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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 10:02AM #53
Premaximum
Date Joined: Sep 20, 2007
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Niche wrote:

Sudden Spoiling added to OP as it definitely is a competitive alternative in my experience, maybe even a tier 1 card.

@Demon666's list...
1. Unmake is still inferior to Sudden Death in the current meta. Swap those around in the sideboard.
2. Extirpate is a sideboard card. Drop it. Probably add more spot removal.
3. You need Profane Command .
4. Tombstalker is not a top tier beater. Demigod of Revenge is.
5. 4x Shriekmaw is rapidly becoming ineffective. Make him 3x Terror and add a singleton Loxodon Warhammer .


I would suggest:
Extirpate -> Terror
Shriekmaw -> Dusk Urchins
Unmake -> Sudden Death (Hold onto that playset, though! You'll use them later.)
Tombstalker -> Profane Command

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 10:20AM #54
DSgrave
Date Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 477

Niche wrote:

I've just been told by someone who's tipped his hand that he plays at the shops I do that I net-decked my MBC list.

How do I take that exactly? :D


What is that list?

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 10:44AM #55
Niche
Date Joined: Apr 25, 2008
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DSgrave wrote:

What is that list?


Since you asked so nicely... had to dig for it as I don't carry cards to work.
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Creatures: 16
4xKorlash, Heir to Blackblade
4xDemigod of Revenge
4xDusk Urchins
3xShriekmaw
1xRazormane Masticore

Spells: 20
4xNameless Inversion
3xSudden Death
3xTerror
3xBeseech the Queen
3xCorrupt
2xProfane Command
1xDamnation
1xLoxodon Warhammer

Lands: 24 (all swamps, snoogins)

Sideboard:
2xSudden Spoiling
4xFulminator Mage
2xRazormane Masticore
1xLoxodon Warhammer
4xStupor
2x...something else... I can't remember



This is the list I won 2x type 2s with, not FNM, against the odds of a stream of Decks to Beat.

And I got called netdecked... hmph.


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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 10:51AM #56
DSgrave
Date Joined: Jul 10, 2007
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Niche wrote:

Since you asked so nicely... had to dig for it as I don't carry cards to work.
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Creatures: 16
4xKorlash, Heir to Blackblade
4xDemigod of Revenge
4xDusk Urchins
3xShriekmaw
1xRazormane Masticore

Spells: 20
4xNameless Inversion
3xSudden Death
3xTerror
3xBeseech the Queen
3xCorrupt
2xProfane Command
1xDamnation
1xLoxodon Warhammer

Lands: 24 (all swamps, snoogins)

Sideboard:
2xSudden Spoiling
4xFulminator Mage
2xRazormane Masticore
1xLoxodon Warhammer
4xStupor
2x...something else... I can't remember



This is the list I won 2x type 2s with, not FNM, against the odds of a stream of Decks to Beat.

And I got called netdecked... hmph.


Lol, well i'd say your innocent on that charge. This list look different then any of the list i saw online. How does it run against G/B Rock? I was play testing my new G/b deck, and while it's not optimum, it still threw my MBC for a loop. The Troll, and CC are a real *****! So i've decided to go 4 nation. Once i did that the MU was pretty easy, but before that dam...

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 10:55AM #57
Niche
Date Joined: Apr 25, 2008
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DSgrave wrote:

Lol, well i'd say your innocent on that charge. This list look different then any of the list i saw online. How does it run against G/B Rock? I was play testing my new G/b deck, and while it's not optimum, it still threw my MBC for a loop. The Troll, and CC are a real *****! So i've decided to go 4 nation. Once i did that the MU was pretty easy, but before that dam...


Rock is easy if you don't draw a colossus.

If you draw one, i've got to get a warhammer on a korlash immediately or begin corrupting your face. Which aren't bad odds, because its what this deck does to win.

Troll may not be targettable, but I can reach past him. If he is a head-ache Sudden Spoiling says he won't be. Damnation of course assists in this MU because of Troll and CC.



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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 12:43PM #58
DSgrave
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Niche wrote:

Rock is easy if you don't draw a colossus.

If you draw one, i've got to get a warhammer on a korlash immediately or begin corrupting your face. Which aren't bad odds, because its what this deck does to win.

Troll may not be targettable, but I can reach past him. If he is a head-ache Sudden Spoiling says he won't be. Damnation of course assists in this MU because of Troll and CC.


yeah i thought about including Sudden spoiling in my SB, but i don't think i have any room. Though if the Pro B/Shroud stuff gets really out of hand then i might have to find some room. What are you using for your SB? This is mine. Actually i'll just post my list. I am using a bit of a toolbox, with the 1 hammer. Mostly it runs quite smoothly. I am thinking of cutting the hearts, for 2 lands, and maybe another terror. I figure the mana accel helps powr out the demigod, but more lands help korlash, tendrils, and corrupt. I think since i am running the 4 nations that more lands, but a little slower might be a better more controlling build.
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Lands-2 x 4
4 x *Scrying sheets
2 x *Mouth of ronom
2 x *Urborg, tomb of yawgmoth
15 x *Snow-covered swamp
Creatures-1 x 2
4 x *Korlash, heir to blackblade
4 x *Demigod of revenge
4 x *Dusk urchins
Spells-2 x 3
4 x *Thoughtseize
3 x *Coldsteel heart
2 x *Corrupt
4 x *Damnation
2 x *Tendrils of corruption
1 x *Terror
2 x *Nameless inversion
2 x *Profane command
1 x *Loxodon warhammer
2 x *Beseech the queen
Sideboard-1 x 5
3 x *Extirpate
2 x *Garza's assassin
2 x *Tendrils of corruption
1 x *Loxodon warhammer
2 x *Sudden death
3 x *Stupor
2 x *Mind shatter

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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 12:55PM #59
Niche
Date Joined: Apr 25, 2008
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DSgrave wrote:

yeah i thought about including Sudden spoiling in my SB, but i don't think i have any room. Though if the Pro B/Shroud stuff gets really out of hand then i might have to find some room. What are you using for your SB? This is mine. Actually i'll just post my list. I am using a bit of a toolbox, with the 1 hammer. Mostly it runs quite smoothly. I am thinking of cutting the hearts, for 2 lands, and maybe another terror. I figure the mana accel helps powr out the demigod, but more lands help korlash, tendrils, and corrupt. I think since i am running the 4 nations that more lands, but a little slower might be a better more controlling build.
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24 lands is fine, you don't even need the 3 coldsteels. I don't like your toolbox removal suite. Toolbox is for bombs and outright situational winners, not for keeping aggro down.

Here's what I suggest:
-3 Coldsteel Hearts
-2 Nameless Inversion
-2 Tendrils

+2 Terror
+1 Beseech the Queen
+1 Corrupt
+3 Sudden Death

Sideboard:
If you follow the above you can:
+2 Sudden Spoiling
And then i suggest:
-2 Garza's
-3 Stupor
+2 Tendrils
+3 Fulminator Mage

Tendrils just outright dominate red/x/aggro. But otherwise they're clogging your 4 curve. We've got removal that's just as terrific for cheaper. Don't be afraid for your life total, we've added a 3rd corrupt and an extra beseech to go get the warhammer or a corrupt as needed. Stupor has rarely ever helped me win a game against the decks I want it to. Instead the Fulminators really bring the heat on control.

Now your removal suite combats the meta more effectively. And damnation keeps you strong against our biggest weakness, cc.

Well.. now your list looks like mine.. sorry about that.



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5 years ago  ::  Jul 16, 2008 - 1:39PM #60
fogdog_alpha
Date Joined: Apr 26, 2004
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i see a lot of talk about colossus, but also watch out for oversoul of dusk; in my meta there is far more of him than CC

in a match last week i lost game 1 because my opponent played three straight oversouls; then in the second game he played two straight, but fortunately i was able to get two cruel edicts to take care of them and win
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