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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 9:11PM #181
Feigel
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Leftconsin wrote:

Man, I really don't want to spell out ALL the possible combinations. I'm just going to say that you don't go into an infinite loop of replacements because individual replacements can only be applied to an event once.


Are you rejecting the question?
If yes, do We get a resubmit?

The game goes to A's turn?


And, what happens on A's turn?

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 9:17PM #182
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No chance of a win, but just to be an ass...

I control Opalescence and lands. I play Doubling Season , then Dual Nature the next turn. Afterwards, I play a Copy Enchantment on the Doubling Season and a Deranged Hermit . Aside from lands, what do I control?
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 9:45PM #183
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player A has Rhys the Redeemed in play since last turn.
player A has had Heritage Druid in play.
player A has has 4 forest in play and draws.
player A has a Claws of Gix in play.
player A plays umbral mantle equips it to Rhys and produces 900,000,000,000 elf tokens.
player B has Soul Warden in play since his last turn and gains life.
player B has Carnival of Souls in play and gains 900,000,000,000 manna.
player B has Transcendence in play.
player B has Yawgmoth's Bargain in play.
what can player B cast so he doesn't lose the game, and why?
(assume that the spell is black)
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 9:47PM #184
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HendrikHaese wrote:

I challenge.
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503.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics (name, mana cost, color, card type, supertype, subtype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, loyalty)

Stangg is legendary, and being legendary is copied. If my step-by-step is correct then Player B ends up with a Clone that is copying Shapeshifter looking like Stangg, without a twin. The other two get nixed in between because of the legend rule and Stangg's leave-play-ability takes care of the original Twin token.


Yup, forgot it was legendary. One point.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 9:50PM #185
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Feigel wrote:

Are you rejecting the question?
If yes, do We get a resubmit?


Yes, go ahead and resubmit.

And, what happens on A's turn?


You did ask me about B's turn. You can go ahead and ask about A's tomorrow.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 9:52PM #186
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NereusRen wrote:

Correct, and well done. I don't know anyone who would have a shot at that, and I've never seen it come up around here.


I've judged a Grand Melee before.

Emperor actually has a pretty restrictive range of influence. The emperors have a range of 2 and the generals 1, so the enemy emperor and remaining general can't even play the ability at all, and nobody can target everyone yet. Only once the next turn begins and ranges update would each emperor be able to target everyone, and the generals would still be somewhat restricted. Looks like 1 point for me today.


Indeed. One point.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 10:08PM #187
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Leftconsin wrote:

You can go ahead and ask that tomorrow.


Day 4; Question 2 hasn't been answered yet.
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Player A controls Conspiracy set to Rat and 3 Andradite Leech .

How much would playing a Patron of the Nezumi cost Player A if he offers an Andradite Leech?
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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 10:26PM #188
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Feigel wrote:

Day 4; Question 2 hasn't been answered yet.


It looks like you were just asking about what happens once B's turn ends. At which point you will go to A, if I'm not horribly mistaken. Did you actually mean to ask about A's turn?

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Player A controls Conspiracy set to Rat and 3 Andradite Leech .

How much would playing a Patron of the Nezumi cost Player A if he offers an Andradite Leech?


Looks like its

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 10:28PM #189
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I'll admit, I don't actually know the correct answers for these questions.  I think ante might not be quite so well supported anymore.

Leftconsin wrote:

Guardian Phoenix wrote:

Alice and Bob, freed from the shackles of the Vintage B&R list, decide to play some Magic the way Garfield intended it.


Sounds troubling for me.

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D4Q1:  Alice has anted a Black Lotus.  She has in hand a Mox Pearl and a Mox Ruby.  She has in play a Mox Sapphire.  Due to Vedalken Orrery shenanigans, she has both a Mox Emerald and a Shahrazad on the stack, the Shahrazad will resolve first.

The Shahrazad begins resolving and the subgame begins.  Alice plays Contract from Below and antes a Mox Jet.  She then plays a Ring of Ma'ruf .

D4Q1:  Alice uses multiple (maybe even 6) Ring of Ma'Ruf and wishes for all the moxen/Black Lotus possible, the subgame ends and the main game resumes.  Where are all the moxen, the Black Lotus, and the Ring of Ma'Ruf ?


Well, you can't get stuff in the zone no one uses anymore: The Ante Zone! (Sounds like a B-movie.) They probably changed this, which is also probably why you are asking. Under the rules I read last time I read about that a cursed Shahrazad Alice would be able to get Mox Pearl, Mox Ruby, Mox Sapphire, and Mox Emerald. At the end of the subgame, they all (including the ring) go into Alice's Library.


The ante zone is still an officially supported zone.  I see no reason why from the perspective of the subgame the ante zone of the main game wouldn't be considered "outside the game" as a place to wish a card from and be able to grab the Black Lotus.

After submitting the question I suddenly wondered if the Mox Jet was vulnerable to changing ownership based on the results of the subgame.

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D4Q2:  Alice and Bob play another game.  Alice antes a Black Lotus, again.  Bob antes a Serra Angel.  Alice then plays Contract from Below and antes a Library of Alexandra.  Bob plays a Jeweled Bird which is then stolen by Alice's Steal Artifact .  Alice plays the ability of the Jeweled Bird .  Bob later miraculously wins the game.  Which cards does Bob own now?


Bob does not own any more cards than what he started with.


I think this might be correct.  What's odd is this rule about ante:
[indent]217.9d To ante an object is to put that object into the ante zone from whichever zone it’s currently in. The owner of an object is the only person who can ante that object.[/indent]
Only the owner can ante the object, which could conceivably cause the Jeweled Bird to do nothing, but Jeweled Bird doesn't actually use ante as a verb, so I guess it isn't affected by that rule.

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5 years ago  ::  Oct 10, 2008 - 10:31PM #190
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Leftconsin wrote:

Did you actually mean to ask about A's turn?


Yes.

Feigel]Player A controls Conspiracy set to Rat and 3 Andradite Leech .

How much would playing a Patron of the Nezumi cost Player A if he offers an Andradite Leech?


Looks like its


Wrong.

The Creature sacrificed to Offering is sacrificed as the Spell is announced at [409.1a].
It's not In Play to affect the Total Cost of the Spell when it's calculated in [409.1f].

Thus, the Spell Cost wrote:

Player A controls Conspiracy set to Rat and 3 Andradite Leech .

How much would playing a Patron of the Nezumi cost Player A if he offers an Andradite Leech?[/quote]
Looks like its [/quote]
Wrong.

The Creature sacrificed to Offering is sacrificed as the Spell is announced at [409.1a].
It's not In Play to affect the Total Cost of the Spell when it's calculated in [409.1f].

Thus, the Spell Cost ; - + +
[indent]502.42b The permanent is sacrificed at the same time the spell is announced (see rule 409.1a). The total cost of the spell is reduced by the sacrificed permanent's mana cost (see rule 409.1f).[/indent]

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