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Flag October 9, 2008 7:41 AM PDT
I apologize for posting questions while the contest is closed, but 3PM CST is very late at night for me. I'm hoping you can make allowances this once...

1) removes a from the game. Then, you the Butcher, making it a copy of itself. Then it leaves play somehow. Does the Grizzly Bear come back?

2) You have in play, and a on top of your graveyard. You play the Licid ability and target a that you own, but your opponent controls. You control no swamps. What happens?

(come on, it's not a real rules test unless you have at least one VS question...)
Flag October 9, 2008 1:00 PM PDT
Here we go again. No math problems this time

Day 3, Q1: Player A controls three Islands and plays a face-down card. In response, Player B plays targetting the face-down spell. Magical Hack resolves, and Player B chooses to replace "Island" with "Mountain." Then the face-down spell resolves. The face-down creature is a . Can Player A turn it face up? (Explain why or why not.)

Day 3, Q2: Player A controls a that is enchanted with . Player B plays and resolves targetting the Colossus. Then he plays targetting the Colossus. What happens?
Flag October 9, 2008 1:03 PM PDT
Day 3; Question 1 Show
Player A controls 3 untapped Creatures; An , a and a .

What are the different mana payments that can appear in the Total Cost when he plays ?

Day3; Question 2 Show
Player A controls a and an .
Player B controls a , a , and has 4 s in his hand.
In Player A’s Upkeep step, Player A plays the ability of Words of Waste 4 times.

What happens in the Draw Step?
Flag October 9, 2008 2:53 PM PDT
Day 3, Question 1 Show
Player A controls , , , and in play. In response to the Porphyry Nodes trigger, he plays the renegeration ability of the Gnats and then gives all his creatures -2/-0 (using e.g. ). When the Nodes trigger resolves, what are the possible outcomes? (For convenience and definiteness, you can pick all applicable choices from the following list.)
A. Choose Grizzly Bears; Grizzly Bears is destroyed
B. Choose Yavimaya Gnats; Yavimaya Gnats is destroyed
C. Choose Yavimaya Gnats; no creatures are destroyed
D. Choose Stuffy Doll; Stuffy Doll is destroyed
E. Choose Stuffy Doll; no creatures are destroyed
Day 3, Question 2 Show
Since the previous question was pushing it a little in terms of multiple interactions/answers in one question, this one is short and simple, focusing on only one.

Player A controls a . Player B plays , and takes control of the Giant. Player A plays to phase out the Giant. When does it phase back in (and who controls it after it does)?
Flag October 9, 2008 8:34 PM PDT
I didn't have access to the forums all day, and I know others had the same problem. Answers will be up after I eat dinner.

edit. I'll answer Laurie's question. And well, I expected to see at least one 2HG question by now.
Flag October 9, 2008 9:11 PM PDT
D3Q1 Show
D3,Q1: Player A is attacking with a . Player B controls a and blocks the with an and a . Can B assign all the damage to , avoiding trample damage and saving the ?

D3Q2 Show
D3,Q2: A is enchanted with . Can that which of the following creatures can it block: , , , .
Flag October 9, 2008 9:33 PM PDT
I only have one today that I can think of, but it's one I actually don't know the answer to myself:

1. I unearth my with and in play under my control. My opponent then plays targeting my Screecher. Does Psychogenic Probe deal damage to me?

Glad the forums are up again...

Edit: Also, did you see that I called you out on my second question of the previous day?
Flag October 9, 2008 9:42 PM PDT

Laurie wrote:

1) removes a from the game. Then, you the Butcher, making it a copy of itself. Then it leaves play somehow. Does the Grizzly Bear come back?

Fun question. The Butcher's first ability originally was the one removed the bears. When the butcher gets copied from itself a new set of abilities is applied on top of the old ones. When the butcher leaves play the same turn the ability that triggers is a copy, and not linked to the ability that removed the bears. Thus, the Bears remained removed from the game.

2) You have in play, and a on top of your graveyard. You play the Licid ability and target a that you own, but your opponent controls. You control no swamps. What happens?

(come on, it's not a real rules test unless you have at least one VS question...)

I'll get back to you on this.

Flag October 9, 2008 9:46 PM PDT
Fine, since you asked (is it open? If not, count these as tomorrow's [/lateentry])

D?Q1 Show
In 2HG, one opponent controls an and a 1/1 Saproling token, the other controls three . All creatures are untapped. I control a and play on it, and attack with both Prides. What are the lowest and highest amounts of damage I can deal to my opponents this turn, assuming no player plays any spells or abilities, and there are no other relevant triggers?

D?Q4 Show
My opponent and I are each at four life. I control a enchanted with , as well as a . I attack with the Knight and it goes unblocked. After first strike damage resolves, I play , targeting myself. What is the outcome of the game?
Flag October 9, 2008 9:49 PM PDT

CarstenHaese wrote:

Here we go again. No math problems this time

Day 3, Q1: Player A controls three Islands and plays a face-down card. In response, Player B plays targetting the face-down spell. Magical Hack resolves, and Player B chooses to replace "Island" with "Mountain." Then the face-down spell resolves. The face-down creature is a . Can Player A turn it face up? (Explain why or why not.)

Technically, yes. Ultimately, no. Before you pay the morph cost you are required to turn the card face up to show all players the morph cost. Then you pay it. Fanthom Seer is still the the same object, so Magic Hack still applies. The morph cost can not be paid.

Day 3, Q2: Player A controls a that is enchanted with . Player B plays and resolves targetting the Colossus. Then he plays targetting the Colossus. What happens?

Colossus remains in play because it is indestructible.

Flag October 9, 2008 9:49 PM PDT
I'm taking questions now because the forums were inaccessible today.
Flag October 9, 2008 10:02 PM PDT
Ah. Then please consider mine submitted.
Flag October 9, 2008 10:14 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

Day 3; Question 1 Show

Player A controls 3 untapped Creatures; An , a and a .

What are the different mana payments that can appear in the Total Cost when he plays ?

I got this question in a simpler form at the Future Sight pre-release. At the time, was the convoke spell the player was trying to cast. Costs get determined and locked in before they are paid. At the time you do this, is untapped, and won't reduce cost. Now I hope I understand your actual question and get this list right!

Mana costs you can pay for Guardian are:
not convoking anything
convoking bears
convoking centaur
convoking bears and centaur
convoking all three

Day3; Question 2 Show

Player A controls a and an .
Player B controls a , a , and has 4 s in his hand.
In Player A’s Upkeep step, Player A plays the ability of Words of Waste 4 times.

What happens in the Draw Step?

One of the Words replacements replaces the draw at the start of the draw step into a discard for B, player B discards a Liege which is put into play instead of B's graveyard. Player A's Overbeing of Myth's trigger goes on the stack underneath Player B's Howling Mine trigger. Howling Mine's trigger resolves and one of the Words replacements turns the draw into discard for B. B discards a Liege which will come into play triggering Mighty Emergence. Emergence's trigger goes on the stack and resolves, B may chose to put 2 +1/+1 counters on the newest Liege. Overbeing's trigger resolves and one of the Words replacements turns the draw into discard for B. B discards a Liege which will come into play triggering Mighty Emergence. Emergence's trigger goes on the stack and resolves, B may chose to put 2 +1/+1 counters on the newest Liege.

B has one card in hand, the fourth Liege, and a 8/8 Liege, and two 10/10 Lieges. A has one replacement from Words of Waste remaining.

Flag October 9, 2008 10:23 PM PDT

NereusRen wrote:

Day 3, Question 1 Show

Player A controls , , , and in play. In response to the Porphyry Nodes trigger, he plays the renegeration ability of the Gnats and then gives all his creatures -2/-0 (using e.g. ). When the Nodes trigger resolves, what are the possible outcomes? (For convenience and definiteness, you can pick all applicable choices from the following list.)
A. Choose Grizzly Bears; Grizzly Bears is destroyed
B. Choose Yavimaya Gnats; Yavimaya Gnats is destroyed
C. Choose Yavimaya Gnats; no creatures are destroyed
D. Choose Stuffy Doll; Stuffy Doll is destroyed
E. Choose Stuffy Doll; no creatures are destroyed

[s]A. Choose Grizzly Bears; Grizzly Bears is destroyed Bears don't have the lowest toughness.
[s]B. Choose Yavimaya Gnats; Yavimaya Gnats is destroyed Gnats have a good old fashioned regeneration replacement!
[s]D. Choose Stuffy Doll; Stuffy Doll is destroyed Stuffy Doll is quite indestructible.
[s]E. Choose Stuffy Doll; no creatures are destroyed Being indestructible Stuffy Doll can't be chosen if another choice can be made.

C. Choose Yavimaya Gnats; no creatures are destroyed
The Nodes asks what everyone's power is. For the purpose of the comparison Bears replies 0, Gnats replies -2, and Doll replies -2. Doll cant be chosen, so Gnats is, and its destruction is replaced.

Day 3, Question 2 Show

Since the previous question was pushing it a little in terms of multiple interactions/answers in one question, this one is short and simple, focusing on only one.
Player A controls a . Player B plays , and takes control of the Giant. Player A plays to phase out the Giant. When does it phase back in (and who controls it after it does)?

It phases back in during B's uptap, before permanents untap. B will retain control of Hill Giant.

Flag October 9, 2008 10:29 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Feigel wrote:

Day 3; Question 1 Show

Player A controls 3 untapped Creatures; An , a and a .

What are the different mana payments that can appear in the Total Cost when he plays ?

I got this question in a simpler form at the Future Sight pre-release. At the time, was the convoke spell the player was trying to cast. Costs get determined and locked in before they are paid. At the time you do this, is untapped, and won't reduce cost.

Ok, So far...

Now I hope I understand your actual question and get this list right!

Mana costs you can pay for Guardian are:
not convoking anything
convoking bears
convoking centaur
convoking bears and centaur
convoking all three

Wrong.

Did you forget the explanation you just gave above?

At the time you do this, is untapped, and won't reduce cost.

Convoking the Centaur does not reduce the required Mana Payment by , it was just a Red Herring...

Leftconsin wrote:

Feigel wrote:

Day3; Question 2 Show

Player A controls a and an .
Player B controls a , a , and has 4 s in his hand.
In Player A’s Upkeep step, Player A plays the ability of Words of Waste 4 times.

What happens in the Draw Step?

One of the Words replacements replaces the draw at the start of the draw step into a discard for B, player B discards a Liege which is put into play instead of B's graveyard. Player A's Overbeing of Myth's trigger goes on the stack underneath Player B's Howling Mine trigger. Howling Mine's trigger resolves and one of the Words replacements turns the draw into discard for B. B discards a Liege which will come into play triggering Mighty Emergence. Emergence's trigger goes on the stack and resolves, B may chose to put 2 +1/+1 counters on the newest Liege. Overbeing's trigger resolves and one of the Words replacements turns the draw into discard for B. B discards a Liege which will come into play triggering Mighty Emergence. Emergence's trigger goes on the stack and resolves, B may chose to put 2 +1/+1 counters on the newest Liege.

B has one card in hand, the fourth Liege, and a 8/8 Liege, and two 10/10 Lieges. A has one replacement from Words of Waste remaining.

Wrong.
[indent]If [color=black]a spell or ability an opponent controls[/color] causes you to discard Wilt-Leaf Liege, put it into play instead of putting it into your graveyard.[/indent]The first replaced Draw was caused [color=black]by the Rules[/color].
The second replaced Draw was caused [color=black]by the Mine that Player B controlled[/color].
The third replace Draw was caused [color=black]by Overbeing that Player A controlled[/color].

The third Discard is the ONLY one that was caused [color=black]by the Spell/Ability that an opponent controlled[/color].
Thus, Player B has one 4/4 Liege In Play, 2 in his Graveyard, 1 in his hand; Emergence does not trigger.

Flag October 9, 2008 10:38 PM PDT
I remember I missed answering a question from you because I was waiting to see if you made the typo about Life from the Loam. It will be answered in a few minutes.

Guardian Phoenix wrote:

D3Q1 Show

D3,Q1: Player A is attacking with a . Player B controls a and blocks the with an and a . Can B assign all the damage to , avoiding trample damage and saving the ?

If I recall correctly 'bands with other' behaves slightly differently from normal banding. Squee can not form a defensive band with Isamaru because Squee does not have the ability "Bands with other legendary creatures." Because of this, A will still be assigning the combat damage.

I won't be really surprised if you tell me this got reversed at some point.

D3Q2 Show

D3,Q2: A is enchanted with . Can that which of the following creatures can it block: , , , .

Aether Web probably works the same way that reach did before it was changed into a keyword. Which is for the purposes of blocking the attacking creature is considered not to have the ability shadow. But because Soltari Monk has shadow, it can't block creatures without shadow. THUS! Soltari Monk can't block any of those creatures.

Flag October 9, 2008 10:42 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

Ok, So far...
Wrong.

Did you forget the explanation you just gave above?

Convoking the Centaur does not reduce the required Mana Payment by , it was just a Red Herring...

You are also wrong. At least in where I got it wrong. I quite simply misread convoke. If you will notice I had the cost reduced by 1G when you convoke with bears alone. Drat.

Wrong.
[indent]If [color=black]a spell or ability an opponent controls[/color] causes you to discard Wilt-Leaf Liege, put it into play instead of putting it into your graveyard.[/indent]The first replaced Draw was caused [color=black]by the Rules[/color].
The second replaced Draw was caused [color=black]by the Mine that Player B controlled[/color].
The third replace Draw was caused [color=black]by Overbeing that Player A controlled[/color].

The third Discard is the ONLY one that was caused [color=black]by the Spell/Ability that an opponent controlled[/color].
Thus, Player B has one 4/4 Liege In Play, 2 in his Graveyard, 1 in his hand; Emergence does not trigger.

OK. Two points.

Flag October 9, 2008 10:46 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

You are also wrong. At least in where I got it wrong. I quite simply misread convoke. If you will notice I had the cost reduced by 1G when you convoke with bears alone. Drat.

Also, We just wanted to point out, that you can Convoke both the Centaur and Bears as Green Creatures to reduce the Total Cost by ; Which would leave the Total Cost of .

We didn't know if you'd catch that, so to make Our question a little easier, We were just looking for how much Mana would be in the Total Cost...
We be stumped Show

[s][color=black]

Leftconsin wrote:

Squee can not form a defensive band with Isamaru

Correct.

because Squee does not have the ability "Bands with other legendary creatures." Because of this, A will still be assigning the combat damage.

Wrong.

They can't form a "defensive band" because there is no such thing.

"Bands" are only formed while Declaring Attackers, and this is where the only difference between "Banding" and "Bands with others" comes in.
While Blocking, the Defending Player still assigns all the Combat Damage of the Blocked Force how they please.[/color]

Ignore Us, you got the answer Correct.
Flag October 9, 2008 10:57 PM PDT

coppro wrote:

Fine, since you asked (is it open? If not, count these as tomorrow's [/lateentry])

D?Q1 Show

In 2HG, one opponent controls an and a 1/1 Saproling token, the other controls three . All creatures are untapped. I control a and play on it, and attack with both Prides. What are the lowest and highest amounts of damage I can deal to my opponents this turn, assuming no player plays any spells or abilities, and there are no other relevant triggers?

White screen of death nailed me when I hit send... SIGH! Here we go again. This time the short version!

You attack a head blah blah blah

Attack head with 3 creatures -> make 6 cats -> 4 get blocked -> 4 go through for 12 damage.

Attack head with 2 creatures -> make 4 cats -> 4 get blocked -> 2 go through for 6 damage.

D?Q4 Show

My opponent and I are each at four life. I control a enchanted with , as well as a . I attack with the Knight and it goes unblocked. After first strike damage resolves, I play , targeting myself. What is the outcome of the game?

Who controls Backfire?

Flag October 9, 2008 10:58 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

While Blocking, the Defending Player still assigns all the Combat Damage of the Blocked Force how they please.

[indent]502.11c If an attacking creature is blocked by at least two creatures with the same "bands with other [quality]" ability, the defending player chooses how the attacking creature's damage is assigned. Similarly, if a blocking creature blocks at least two attacking creatures with the same "bands with other [quality]" ability, the attacking player chooses how the blocking creature's damage is assigned.[/indent]

Flag October 9, 2008 11:00 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

If I recall correctly 'bands with other' behaves slightly differently from normal banding. Squee can not form a defensive band with Isamaru because Squee does not have the ability "Bands with other legendary creatures." Because of this, A will still be assigning the combat damage.

I won't be really surprised if you tell me this got reversed at some point.

Aside from there being no such thing as a defensive band, you got this one correct. "Bands with other" does require that two blocking creatures have the same bands with other ability in order for the defending player to get to do the damage assignment.

Fun fact: When Kamigawa came out received errata so that the creatures received "Bands with other legendary creatures" instead of the previous "Bands with other legends". This part of the errata was unnecessary.

Any ruling on the challenge related to how the Kamigawa flip cards can be used to foil ?

Flag October 9, 2008 11:04 PM PDT

Avedomni wrote:

[indent]502.11c If an attacking creature is blocked by at least two creatures with the same "bands with other [quality]" ability, the defending player chooses how the attacking creature's damage is assigned. Similarly, if a blocking creature blocks at least two attacking creatures with the same "bands with other [quality]" ability, the attacking player chooses how the blocking creature's damage is assigned.[/indent]

I had just dug up this very rule when a wave of posts did it before me!

Point for me?

Flag October 9, 2008 11:08 PM PDT
Fiegel likes to get huffy at the use of technically incorrect terminology, such as "defensive band" and "summoning sickness".

However, that one is a win for you, Leftconsin
Flag October 9, 2008 11:13 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

[s]A. Choose Grizzly Bears; Grizzly Bears is destroyed Bears don't have the lowest toughness.
[s]B. Choose Yavimaya Gnats; Yavimaya Gnats is destroyed Gnats have a good old fashioned regeneration replacement!
[s]D. Choose Stuffy Doll; Stuffy Doll is destroyed Stuffy Doll is quite indestructible.
[s]E. Choose Stuffy Doll; no creatures are destroyed Being indestructible Stuffy Doll can't be chosen if another choice can be made.

C. Choose Yavimaya Gnats; no creatures are destroyed

I definitely expected E to be the one trip you up, so good job... but this is still wrong because specifically does not allow regeneration from its destruction. The only possible outcome is B.

It phases back in during B's uptap, before permanents untap. B will retain control of Hill Giant.

This is also wrong. Although it does phase back in during Player B's next untap step, Player A gets his hill giant back. Here's Gavin's quote (note that his A and B are switched from my scenario):

Gavin Duggan, MTGRULES-L, Sept 3.]> 1) Sower of Temptation steals a creature, then that creature phases out.
> When that creature phases in (at the beginning of untap step of Sower's
> controller), who will control it?

Let's assume Sower of Temptation is controlled by Player A, and the
stolen creature is a Bears previously controlled by Player B.

After the bears phase back in, player B will control it again because
Sower of Temptation's effect has a limited duration: CR502.15g says
that limited duration effects can't keep track of a permanent which
phases out and then in again.

Yup, a cheesy obscure phasing rule. (Although you remembered the cheesy obscure 'bands with other' rule somehow! I would've completely missed that.) Don't worry, my next question will get even cheesier and involve li wrote:

> 1) Sower of Temptation steals a creature, then that creature phases out.
> When that creature phases in (at the beginning of untap step of Sower's
> controller), who will control it?

Let's assume Sower of Temptation is controlled by Player A, and the
stolen creature is a Bears previously controlled by Player B.

After the bears phase back in, player B will control it again because
Sower of Temptation's effect has a limited duration: CR502.15g says
that limited duration effects can't keep track of a permanent which
phases out and then in again.[/quote]
Yup, a cheesy obscure phasing rule. (Although you remembered the cheesy obscure 'bands with other' rule somehow! I would've completely missed that.) Don't worry, my next question will get even cheesier and involve licids

Flag October 9, 2008 11:16 PM PDT

NereusRen wrote:

I definitely expected E to be the one trip you up, but this is still wrong because specifically does not allow regeneration from its destruction. The only possible outcome is B.

This is also wrong. Although it does phase back in during Player B's next untap step, Player A gets his hill giant back. Here's Gavin's quote (note that his A and B are switched from my scenario):
Yup, a cheesy obscure phasing rule. Don't worry, my next question will get even cheesier and involve licids

I see...

Two points.

Flag October 9, 2008 11:22 PM PDT

MystErikEry wrote:

Fiegel likes to get huffy at the use of technically incorrect terminology, such as "defensive band" and "summoning sickness".

However, that one is a win for you, Leftconsin

Feigel really has no one to blame but himself for that screw-up. If he hadn't been so eager to boast about Leftconsin making a slip up and had instead left the challenging of the answer to the original questioner there wouldn't have been any show.

Flag October 9, 2008 11:28 PM PDT

MystErikEry wrote:

I only have one today that I can think of, but it's one I actually don't know the answer to myself:

1. I unearth my with and in play under my control. My opponent then plays targeting my Screecher. Does Psychogenic Probe deal damage to me?

Glad the forums are up again...

Edit: Also, did you see that I called you out on my second question of the previous day?

Don't know the answer, eh? Deglamer has a self replacement effect, which means it must be applied first. Then unearth replaces the go to library with remove from game. You won't shuffle.

Since you don't know, I'll double check for you.
419.6d Show

Some spells and abilities replace part or all of their own effect(s) when they resolve. Such effects are called self-replacement effects. When applying replacement effects to an event, apply self-replacement effects first, then apply other replacement effects.

But I can't find anything that asserts that you won't shuffle. Hopefully someone else can back me up or correct me.

I'll look for your previous post. I'm sure I'm missing a few people.

ALSO! I'm going to bed after I do that. The contest will remain open for questions this time, though.
Flag October 9, 2008 11:42 PM PDT

MystErikEry wrote:

You first answer is great (good job!)

Your second one, however, is wrong. Though you did catch that he's still blue... you can sacrifice the Humility... as far as I can tell.

Devour is a replacement effect that affects how the permanent comes into play.

Thus, it applies before continuous effects of the Humility. (First, apply replacement effects if applicable, then apply continuous effects, then check for triggered abilities, which there are none directly involved here - although there will be, since the Humility will be in the graveyard, and the Skullmulcher's CIP ability will trigger.)

That rule has been tripping me up for forever. One point.

Flag October 9, 2008 11:50 PM PDT
Heh, you posted that just as I went to post this...

I will say, however, that there's no self-replacement effect in the wording of Deglamer --- it just shuffles a permanent into your library.

Presumably "shuffle ~ into your library" really means "put ~ into your library zone, then shuffle your library", but as far as I know there's nothing that explicitly says this. If that's what it means, then you DO shuffle.

I guess that the replacement effect applies and removes the card from the game, and then you can't do the rest because of an impossible action (shuffling a permanent that doesn't exist into a library) .... although I'm not sure I like that, because you should still do as much as possible in the instruction.
Flag October 9, 2008 11:59 PM PDT
Ok, here's one for you.

I have a in play with the following cards in my graveyard:

What abilities does my Cairn Wanderer have?
Flag October 10, 2008 12:18 AM PDT
Oooookay here goes

I have a in play and being so silly i'd play a for 20 (if i was at 19 life i'd pay 19)

My question is....can i continue the channel for even more life and mana
or does the channel stop and i have a buttload of mana for X spells
and...if both of those are wrong
what DOES happen xD ?
Flag October 10, 2008 12:58 AM PDT
Well first off i hope this isn't too odd or too long that you wont(or cant) answer.

Player A and Player B are playing a casual game without using the official rules.
Player A Has , ,16 basic lands, , and .
Player B Has , 14 lands ,, and

At the Start of Player b's turn both players are at 20 life.

In player B's Main phase (without passing priority) he plays followed by and .
Player A then (without passing priority) plays targeting , on and on

If all regular rules and card interactions started affecting the game right now, without reversing any actions what would the life totals of the players be...
A) As the stack is resolving?
B) At the end of player B's Turn?
Flag October 10, 2008 2:56 AM PDT
Finally, I can log in again. Again only one question this time, but I had no hopes of winning this thing to begin with. Here goes...
Spoiler: Show
Player A plays and an and ends his turn.
Player B plays , choosing to copy the Shapeshifter. Then he plays on .
Assuming that from then on until the end of turn both players pass priority, what will happen?
Flag October 10, 2008 1:05 PM PDT
Day 4; Question 1 Show
Player A controls a and 2 s.
Provided unlimited Mana in his Upkeep step, what are the different possible outcomes of his Draw step?

Day 4; Question 2 Show
Player A controls . Player B controls and .

What happens when Player B's Ends Phase ends?
Flag October 10, 2008 1:40 PM PDT
Ok, here's my paltry attempt:

Assume that all players have sufficient mana to cast the spells named.

Player A has a in play.

Player B plays

The next turn, Player A casts on one of the Swamp.

Player A then attacks with the enchanted and is blocked by a 1/1 creature.

Combat finishes, and in the second main phase, Player A casts on Player B's .

Player A then plays a of his own.

List any abilities, characteristics, and/or enchantments the swamp would have at end of turn.
Flag October 10, 2008 1:54 PM PDT

What is the status of the Swamp that attacked this turn?

By the way goliath, the word "status" has a very specific meaning with regard to the rules which you probably didn't mean.510. Status Show

510.1. A permanent’s status is its physical state. There are three status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, and face up/face down. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.
Flag October 10, 2008 1:56 PM PDT

cyphern wrote:

By the way goliath, the word "status" has a very specific meaning with regard to the rules which you probably didn't mean.510. Status Show

510.1. A permanent’s status is its physical state. There are three status categories, each of which has two possible values: tapped/untapped, flipped/unflipped, and face up/face down. Each permanent always has one of these values for each of these categories.

Corrected, thanks!

Flag October 10, 2008 2:26 PM PDT
Feigel, I hope you aren't expecting the entire (huge) list of answers for your Lich/Words question. That's really pushing it on the "I hope he just misses one" scale. I do like how elegantly both questions are worded, though. Very concise.

Leftconsin, you said you were surprised not to get any 2HG questions, so both mine today come from section 600 (multiplayer).
Day 4, Question 1 Show
There is a Grand Melee game with 15 players. (They are numbered from Player 1 to Player 15 in turn order [i.e. clockwise].) If Player 1 is the "starting player" and begins the game with the first turn marker, who else begins the game with a turn marker?

[Edit: If you want each question to involve a "card interaction," then instead assume everyone has in their opening hand and determine who gets to start with theirs in play.]
Day 4, Question 2 Show
A CompRules default Emperor game is seated as follows:
A B C
F E D
Where B and E are the emperors, A is the general fighting against F, and C is the general fighting against D.

E controls , but there is a on the stack controlled by Player F, so it is about to be destroyed. In response, Player D uses the ability of Land's Edge to kill Player C. After the ability resolves and Player C leaves the game, who can each player now target with the Land's Edge ability? (Assume they each have 1 land card in hand, except Player B who has 1 non-land card in hand.)
Flag October 10, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
Alice and Bob, freed from the shackles of the Vintage B&R list, decide to play some Magic the way Garfield intended it.

D4Q1 Show
D4Q1: Alice has anted a Black Lotus. She has in hand a Mox Pearl and a Mox Ruby. She has in play a Mox Sapphire. Due to shenanigans, she has both a Mox Emerald and a on the stack, the will resolve first.

The Shahrazad begins resolving and the subgame begins. Alice plays and antes a Mox Jet. She then plays a .

D4Q1: Alice uses multiple (maybe even 6) and wishes for all the moxen/Black Lotus possible, the subgame ends and the main game resumes. Where are all the moxen, the Black Lotus, and the ?

D4Q2 Show
D4Q2: Alice and Bob play another game. Alice antes a Black Lotus, again. Bob antes a Serra Angel. Alice then plays and antes a Library of Alexandra. Bob plays a which is then stolen by Alice's . Alice plays the ability of the . Bob later miraculously wins the game. Which cards does Bob own now?
Flag October 10, 2008 4:18 PM PDT

Caldera42 wrote:

I activate 's ability targeting , currently naming Red Goblin. I then play choosing Sarpadian Empires and targeting Sarpadian Empires.

Explain the state Sarpadian Empires is in.

If I tap Sarpadian Empires for a token (If I can), what type of token will it make (if any)?

Bumping questions since you apparantly missed it.

Flag October 10, 2008 4:21 PM PDT
Day 4, Question 1:

Player A is at 7 life and controlls , a 1 and a . His hand is empty.

Player B has 6 life and controlls a , 3 and and has a in his hand.

Player A plays the ability of once, then taps the for and the and plays the ability of 5 more times, intending to kill Player B and win the match.
Assuming player B does not want to lose, what would be the best play?
Flag October 10, 2008 5:02 PM PDT

Assuming player B does not want to lose, what would be the best play?

How is that a rules question?

Flag October 10, 2008 6:06 PM PDT

AlienFinger79 wrote:

Ok, here's one for you.

I have a in play with the following cards in my graveyard:

What abilities does my Cairn Wanderer have?

Strange question... In addition to Cairn Wanderer's normal text it has Flying, Deathtouch, Protection from Black, Protection from Red, First Strike, Vigilance, Trample, Haste, and Shroud.

Flag October 10, 2008 6:10 PM PDT

Aaargh wrote:

Oooookay here goes

I have a in play and being so silly i'd play a for 20 (if i was at 19 life i'd pay 19)

My question is....can i continue the channel for even more life and mana
or does the channel stop and i have a buttload of mana for X spells
and...if both of those are wrong
what DOES happen xD ?

You can only pay life you have. You can continue paying life after you get more, which you will have soon enough after Lich's mirror replaces you losing the game.

Flag October 10, 2008 6:16 PM PDT

virex wrote:

Day 4, Question 1:

Player A is at 7 life and controlls , a 1 and a . His hand is empty.

Player B has 6 life and controlls a , 3 and and has a in his hand.

Player A plays the ability of once, then taps the for and the and plays the ability of 5 more times, intending to kill Player B and win the match.
Assuming player B does not want to lose, what would be the best play?

This is a strategy question, please resubmit.

Flag October 10, 2008 6:26 PM PDT

Mashav wrote:

Well first off i hope this isn't too odd or too long that you wont(or cant) answer.

Player A and Player B are playing a casual game without using the official rules.

OK??

Player A Has , ,16 basic lands, , and .
Player B Has , 14 lands ,, and

At the Start of Player b's turn both players are at 20 life.

In player B's Main phase (without passing priority) he plays followed by and .
Player A then (without passing priority) plays targeting , on and on

If all regular rules and card interactions started affecting the game right now, without reversing any actions what would the life totals of the players be...
A) As the stack is resolving?
B) At the end of player B's Turn?

Wow. I am going to say that is too long.

Flag October 10, 2008 6:50 PM PDT

HendrikHaese wrote:

Finally, I can log in again. Again only one question this time, but I had no hopes of winning this thing to begin with. Here goes...
Spoiler: Show

Player A plays and an and ends his turn.
Player B plays , choosing to copy the Shapeshifter. Then he plays on .
Assuming that from then on until the end of turn both players pass priority, what will happen?

Player B ends up with a Clone that is a copy of Stangg. Player A ends up with real Stangg, real Stangg's Twin, and an Unstable Shapeshifter that is a copy of either Stangg, or Stangg's Twin depending on how triggers get put on the stack.

Flag October 10, 2008 6:58 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

Day 4; Question 1 Show

Player A controls a and 2 s.
Provided unlimited Mana in his Upkeep step, what are the different possible outcomes of his Draw step?

Man, I really don't want to spell out ALL the possible combinations. I'm just going to say that you don't go into an infinite loop of replacements because individual replacements can only be applied to an event once.

Day 4; Question 2 Show

Player A controls . Player B controls and .

What happens when Player B's Ends Phase ends?

The game goes to A's turn?

Flag October 10, 2008 7:07 PM PDT

goliath_cobalt wrote:

Ok, here's my paltry attempt:

Assume that all players have sufficient mana to cast the spells named.

Player A has a in play.

Player B plays

The next turn, Player A casts on one of the Swamp.

Player A then attacks with the enchanted and is blocked by a 1/1 creature.

Combat finishes, and in the second main phase, Player A casts on Player B's .

After that resolves SBE's are checked and see Unstable Mutation is not enchanting a legal permanent for it. The aura is placed in it's owner's graveyard.

Player A then plays a of his own.

After that resolves SBE's are checked and see the swamp with one damage on it and one toughness. Because you didn't mention regeneration anywhere, the swamp goes to it's owner's graveyard.

List any abilities, characteristics, and/or enchantments the swamp would have at end of turn.

The swamp died to SBE's in the second main phase. Its probably in it's owner's graveyard.

Flag October 10, 2008 7:20 PM PDT

NereusRen wrote:

Feigel, I hope you aren't expecting the entire (huge) list of answers for your Lich/Words question. That's really pushing it on the "I hope he just misses one" scale. I do like how elegantly both questions are worded, though. Very concise.

Leftconsin, you said you were surprised not to get any 2HG questions, so both mine today come from section 600 (multiplayer).

I knew I'd open the door for these.

Day 4, Question 1 Show

There is a Grand Melee game with 15 players. (They are numbered from Player 1 to Player 15 in turn order [i.e. clockwise].) If Player 1 is the "starting player" and begins the game with the first turn marker, who else begins the game with a turn marker?

[Edit: If you want each question to involve a "card interaction," then instead assume everyone has in their opening hand and determine who gets to start with theirs in play.]

Its a fine question as is. There are three turn markers starting at players 1, 5, and 9.

Day 4, Question 2 Show

A CompRules default Emperor game is seated as follows:
A B C
F E D
Where B and E are the emperors, A is the general fighting against F, and C is the general fighting against D.

E controls , but there is a on the stack controlled by Player F, so it is about to be destroyed. In response, Player D uses the ability of Land's Edge to kill Player C. After the ability resolves and Player C leaves the game, who can each player now target with the Land's Edge ability? (Assume they each have 1 land card in hand, except Player B who has 1 non-land card in hand.)

I think everybody can target everybody else. I haven't exactly read the Emperor rules lately. So I don't remember what everyone's spell range is.

Flag October 10, 2008 7:21 PM PDT
If I have Godhead of Awe in play, and my opponent has a Tarmogoyf, assuming there is only a land and creature in the graveyard, will Tarmogoyf be a 2/3 or a 1/1 and why?
Flag October 10, 2008 7:35 PM PDT

Guardian Phoenix wrote:

Alice and Bob, freed from the shackles of the Vintage B&R list, decide to play some Magic the way Garfield intended it.

Sounds troubling for me.

D4Q1 Show

D4Q1: Alice has anted a Black Lotus. She has in hand a Mox Pearl and a Mox Ruby. She has in play a Mox Sapphire. Due to shenanigans, she has both a Mox Emerald and a on the stack, the will resolve first.

The Shahrazad begins resolving and the subgame begins. Alice plays and antes a Mox Jet. She then plays a .

D4Q1: Alice uses multiple (maybe even 6) and wishes for all the moxen/Black Lotus possible, the subgame ends and the main game resumes. Where are all the moxen, the Black Lotus, and the ?

Well, you can't get stuff in the zone no one uses anymore: The Ante Zone! (Sounds like a B-movie.) They probably changed this, which is also probably why you are asking. Under the rules I read last time I read about that a cursed Shahrazad Alice would be able to get Mox Pearl, Mox Ruby, Mox Sapphire, and Mox Emerald. At the end of the subgame, they all (including the ring) go into Alice's Library.

D4Q2 Show

D4Q2: Alice and Bob play another game. Alice antes a Black Lotus, again. Bob antes a Serra Angel. Alice then plays and antes a Library of Alexandra. Bob plays a which is then stolen by Alice's . Alice plays the ability of the . Bob later miraculously wins the game. Which cards does Bob own now?

Bob does not own any more cards than what he started with.

Flag October 10, 2008 7:36 PM PDT

Mister_Amazing wrote:

If I have Godhead of Awe in play, and my opponent has a Tarmogoyf, assuming there is only a land and creature in the graveyard, will Tarmogoyf be a 2/3 or a 1/1 and why?

1/1 because Goyf's characteristic defining ability is applied before the Godhead's ability.

Flag October 10, 2008 7:42 PM PDT

Caldera42 wrote:

Bumping questions since you apparantly missed it.
Originally Posted by Caldera42 View Post
I activate 's ability targeting , currently naming Red Goblin. I then play choosing Sarpadian Empires and targeting Sarpadian Empires.

Explain the state Sarpadian Empires is in.

If I tap Sarpadian Empires for a token (If I can), what type of token will it make (if any)?

On Sunday people will have the chance to bring stuff I miss to my attention and I'll try to fix the problem. But, now is fine.

Sarpadian Empires is a 3/3 Artifact Creature with no creature type and the text "As Sarpadian Empires, Vol. VII comes into play, choose white Citizen, blue Camarid, black Thrull, red Goblin, or green Saproling.
3 Mana, Tap: Put a 1/1 creature token of the chosen color and type into play."

When you activate it's ability it will generate a colorless 1/1 creature with no name, or creature type.

Flag October 10, 2008 8:37 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Player B ends up with a Clone that is a copy of Stangg. Player A ends up with real Stangg, real Stangg's Twin, and an Unstable Shapeshifter that is a copy of either Stangg, or Stangg's Twin depending on how triggers get put on the stack.

I challenge.
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503.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics (name, mana cost, color, card type, supertype, subtype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, loyalty)

Stangg is legendary, and being legendary is copied. If my step-by-step is correct then Player B ends up with a Clone that is copying Shapeshifter looking like Stangg, without a twin. The other two get nixed in between because of the legend rule and Stangg's leave-play-ability takes care of the original Twin token.
Flag October 10, 2008 8:51 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

There are three turn markers starting at players 1, 5, and 9.

Correct, and well done. I don't know anyone who would have a shot at that, and I've never seen it come up around here.

I think everybody can target everybody else. I haven't exactly read the Emperor rules lately. So I don't remember what everyone's spell range is.

Emperor actually has a pretty restrictive range of influence. The emperors have a range of 2 and the generals 1, so the enemy emperor and remaining general can't even play the ability at all, and nobody can target everyone yet. Only once the next turn begins and ranges update would each emperor be able to target everyone, and the generals would still be somewhat restricted. Looks like 1 point for me today.

Flag October 10, 2008 9:11 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Man, I really don't want to spell out ALL the possible combinations. I'm just going to say that you don't go into an infinite loop of replacements because individual replacements can only be applied to an event once.

Are you rejecting the question?
If yes, do We get a resubmit?

The game goes to A's turn?

And, what happens on A's turn?

Flag October 10, 2008 9:17 PM PDT
No chance of a win, but just to be an ass...

I control and lands. I play , then the next turn. Afterwards, I play a on the and a . Aside from lands, what do I control?
Flag October 10, 2008 9:45 PM PDT
player A has Rhys the Redeemed in play since last turn.
player A has had Heritage Druid in play.
player A has has 4 forest in play and draws.
player A has a Claws of Gix in play.
player A plays umbral mantle equips it to Rhys and produces 900,000,000,000 elf tokens.
player B has Soul Warden in play since his last turn and gains life.
player B has Carnival of Souls in play and gains 900,000,000,000 manna.
player B has Transcendence in play.
player B has Yawgmoth's Bargain in play.
what can player B cast so he doesn't lose the game, and why?
(assume that the spell is black)
Flag October 10, 2008 9:47 PM PDT

HendrikHaese wrote:

I challenge.
Spoiler: Show

503.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object’s characteristics (name, mana cost, color, card type, supertype, subtype, expansion symbol, rules text, power, toughness, loyalty)

Stangg is legendary, and being legendary is copied. If my step-by-step is correct then Player B ends up with a Clone that is copying Shapeshifter looking like Stangg, without a twin. The other two get nixed in between because of the legend rule and Stangg's leave-play-ability takes care of the original Twin token.

Yup, forgot it was legendary. One point.

Flag October 10, 2008 9:50 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

Are you rejecting the question?
If yes, do We get a resubmit?

And, what happens on A's turn?

Flag October 10, 2008 9:52 PM PDT

NereusRen wrote:

Correct, and well done. I don't know anyone who would have a shot at that, and I've never seen it come up around here.

I've judged a Grand Melee before.

Emperor actually has a pretty restrictive range of influence. The emperors have a range of 2 and the generals 1, so the enemy emperor and remaining general can't even play the ability at all, and nobody can target everyone yet. Only once the next turn begins and ranges update would each emperor be able to target everyone, and the generals would still be somewhat restricted. Looks like 1 point for me today.

Indeed. One point.

Flag October 10, 2008 10:08 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Day 4; Question 2 hasn't been answered yet.
Day 4; Question 1 Show

Player A controls set to Rat and 3 .

How much would playing a cost Player A if he offers an Andradite Leech?
Flag October 10, 2008 10:26 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

Day 4; Question 2 hasn't been answered yet.

It looks like you were just asking about what happens once B's turn ends. At which point you will go to A, if I'm not horribly mistaken. Did you actually mean to ask about A's turn?

Day 4; Question 1 Show

Player A controls set to Rat and 3 .

How much would playing a cost Player A if he offers an Andradite Leech?

Looks like its

Flag October 10, 2008 10:28 PM PDT
I'll admit, I don't actually know the correct answers for these questions.  I think ante might not be quite so well supported anymore.

Leftconsin wrote:

Guardian Phoenix wrote:

Alice and Bob, freed from the shackles of the Vintage B&R list, decide to play some Magic the way Garfield intended it.

Sounds troubling for me.

D4Q1 Show

D4Q1:  Alice has anted a Black Lotus.  She has in hand a Mox Pearl and a Mox Ruby.  She has in play a Mox Sapphire.  Due to shenanigans, she has both a Mox Emerald and a on the stack, the will resolve first.

The Shahrazad begins resolving and the subgame begins.  Alice plays and antes a Mox Jet.  She then plays a .

D4Q1:  Alice uses multiple (maybe even 6) and wishes for all the moxen/Black Lotus possible, the subgame ends and the main game resumes.  Where are all the moxen, the Black Lotus, and the ?

Well, you can't get stuff in the zone no one uses anymore: The Ante Zone! (Sounds like a B-movie.) They probably changed this, which is also probably why you are asking. Under the rules I read last time I read about that a cursed Shahrazad Alice would be able to get Mox Pearl, Mox Ruby, Mox Sapphire, and Mox Emerald. At the end of the subgame, they all (including the ring) go into Alice's Library.

The ante zone is still an officially supported zone.  I see no reason why from the perspective of the subgame the ante zone of the main game wouldn't be considered "outside the game" as a place to wish a card from and be able to grab the Black Lotus.

After submitting the question I suddenly wondered if the Mox Jet was vulnerable to changing ownership based on the results of the subgame.

D4Q2 Show

D4Q2:  Alice and Bob play another game.  Alice antes a Black Lotus, again.  Bob antes a Serra Angel.  Alice then plays and antes a Library of Alexandra.  Bob plays a which is then stolen by Alice's .  Alice plays the ability of the .  Bob later miraculously wins the game.  Which cards does Bob own now?

Bob does not own any more cards than what he started with.

I think this might be correct.  What's odd is this rule about ante:
[indent]217.9d To ante an object is to put that object into the ante zone from whichever zone it’s currently in. The owner of an object is the only person who can ante that object.[/indent]
Only the owner can ante the object, which could conceivably cause the to do nothing, but doesn't actually use ante as a verb, so I guess it isn't affected by that rule.

Flag October 10, 2008 10:31 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Yes.

Feigel]Player A controls set to Rat and 3 .

How much would playing a cost Player A if he offers an Andradite Leech?

Looks like its

Wrong.

The Creature sacrificed to Offering is sacrificed as the Spell is announced at [409.1a].
It's not In Play to affect the Total Cost of the Spell when it's calculated in [409.1f].

Thus, the Spell Cost wrote:

Player A controls set to Rat and 3 .

How much would playing a cost Player A if he offers an Andradite Leech?[/quote]
Looks like its [/quote]
Wrong.

The Creature sacrificed to Offering is sacrificed as the Spell is announced at [409.1a].
It's not In Play to affect the Total Cost of the Spell when it's calculated in [409.1f].

Thus, the Spell Cost ; - + +
[indent]502.42b The permanent is sacrificed at the same time the spell is announced (see rule 409.1a). The total cost of the spell is reduced by the sacrificed permanent's mana cost (see rule 409.1f).[/indent]

Flag October 10, 2008 10:33 PM PDT

Guardian Phoenix wrote:

I'll admit, I don't actually know the correct answers for these questions. I think ante might not be quite so well supported anymore.

You know, Caldera just admitted to me he didn't know the answer to a question he submitted.

Flag October 10, 2008 10:36 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

The Creature sacrificed to Offering is sacrificed as the Spell is announced at [409.1a].
It's not In Play to affect the Total Cost of the Spell when it's calculated in [409.1f].

Thus, the Spell Cost ; - + +
[indent]502.42b The permanent is sacrificed at the same time the spell is announced (see rule 409.1a). The total cost of the spell is reduced by the sacrificed permanent's mana cost (see rule 409.1f).[/indent]

The rules you quote don't help at all. However, the relevant rule (502.42a) says you are right. One point.

Flag October 10, 2008 10:41 PM PDT

Day 4; Question 2 Show

Player A controls . Player B controls and .

What happens when Player B's Ends Phase ends?

In player A's turn The Untap, Upkeep, and Draw steps are skipped. I see nothing special about whats happening here.

Flag October 10, 2008 10:42 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

The rules you quote don't help at all. However, the relevant rule (502.42a) says you are right. One point.

We're grateful for the point... But, what you wrote is puzzling Us.

How is [502.42a] the "relevant" Rule in this situation, whereas [502.42b] is not?
[indent]502.42a Offering is a static ability of a card that functions in any zone from which the card can be played. "[Text] offering" means "You may play this card any time you could play an instant by sacrificing a [text] permanent. If you do, the total cost to play this card is reduced by the sacrificed permanent's mana cost."

502.42b [color=black]The permanent is sacrificed at the same time the spell is announced (see rule 409.1a).[/color] The total cost of the spell is reduced by the sacrificed permanent's mana cost (see rule 409.1f).[/indent]
[502.42b] explicitly states when the Permanent is sacrificed, [502.42a] doesn't.

Flag October 10, 2008 10:44 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

We're grateful for the point... But, what you wrote is puzzling Us.

How is [502.42a] the "relevant" Rule in this situation, whereas [502.42b] is not?
[indent]502.42a Offering is a static ability of a card that functions in any zone from which the card can be played. "[Text] offering" means "You may play this card any time you could play an instant by sacrificing a [text] permanent. If you do, the total cost to play this card is reduced by the sacrificed permanent's mana cost."

502.42b [color=black]The permanent is sacrificed at the same time the spell is announced (see rule 409.1a).[/color] The total cost of the spell is reduced by the sacrificed permanent's mana cost (see rule 409.1f).[/indent]
[502.42b] explicitly states when the Permanent is sacrificed, [502.42a] doesn't.

You're trying to push my buttons, aren't you?

Flag October 10, 2008 10:45 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

In player A's turn The Untap, Upkeep, and Draw steps are skipped. I see nothing special about whats happening here.

Though, nothing you stated is Wrong, We were looking for a response of "The Beginning Phase is skipped in its entirety."

Originally Posted by WizO_Tyrael
* Skipping All the Steps of a Phase

If all the steps in a phase would be skipped, that phase never happens. Skip
directly to the next phase. This would happen if a player controlled Stasis,
Eon Hub, and Necropotence.

So, point you, We guess...

Leftconsin wrote:

You're trying to push my buttons, aren't you?

Not at all. We were simply curious.

We thought that posting [420.42b] was sufficient, because it covers the relevant aspect of Offering that was addressed in the question.

Flag October 11, 2008 1:44 AM PDT
Well this is a shorter resub of my earlier question.... hope its still not too big...or in too late...

Player A and Player B are playing a casual game without using the official rules.
Player A Has , , and . 16 basic lands
Player B Has , , and 17 lands,

At the Start of Player b's turn both players are at 20 life.

In player B's Main phase he plays followed by
Player A then plays targeting and on

If all regular rules and card interactions started affecting the game right now, without reversing any actions what would the life totals of the players be...
A) As the stack is resolving?
B) At the end of player B's Turn?
Flag October 11, 2008 2:21 AM PDT
Can a player choose to trigger by conceding?
Flag October 11, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
I haven't seen anyone label their questions with "day 5" yet, or any other indication that today's stumping has kicked off, so maybe people are having login trouble again? Anyway, here's my final day's questions.
Day 5, Question 1 Show
There was already a question about Aether Web/can't block/blocks as though/etc., but I think this one is different enough.

Player A attacks with , enchanted with , and (which he will pay for). Player B controls and . Which attacking creatures can he block? If Player A were to have played before attacking, then which creatures could Player B have blocked?
Day 5, Question 2 Show
As promised... a licid.

A player controls , a , and a which is a copy of . He plays the VS's Licid ability to attach it to Grizzly Bears. At the beginning of his next upkeep, he wants to choose to turn it face down with the VS trigger. He then wants to pay to turn it face-up and copy his . (If he is not able to do either or both of these things, he does nothing instead.) What are Grizzly Bears' characteristics (abilities, p/t), and where is the Vesuvan Shapeshifter?
Flag October 11, 2008 2:08 PM PDT
Day 5; Question 1 Show
Player A is at 20 life and controls a and a .
Player B is at 20 life and controls a and a .
Player B also controls an that Player A owns, but it's enchanted by an that Player B controls.

On Player A's Turn, he plays the second mode of and declares the Duskworker and Covetous Dragon as Attacking.
Player B Blocks the Duskworker with his Sickle Ripper and the Covetous Dragon with his Ornithopter.

While Combat Damage is on the Stack, Player B plays , Targeting Player A, sacrificing his Sickle Ripper to pay the additional Cost.

Assuming no other actions are taken by either Player this turn, what are Player A's and B's lifetotal as the turn ends?

Day 5; Question 2 Show
In a 4-Player Free-For-All game, the turn order is A - B - C - D.
Player B controls .

It is Player D's Main Phase and each player has 2 cards in hand, Player D plays with an X of 3.
In response, Player B activates his Words of Waste 3 times.

After the Prosperity finished resolving, how many cards does each player have in their hand?
Flag October 11, 2008 2:23 PM PDT

NereusRen wrote:

I haven't seen anyone label their questions with "day 5" yet

I guess that's because all normal people have run out of ideas by now

Flag October 11, 2008 2:31 PM PDT
nvm that wasnt rules
Flag October 11, 2008 3:04 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Laurie]2) You have Volrath's Shapeshifter in play, and a Dominating Licid on top of your graveyard. You play the Licid ability and target a Bog Serpent that you own, but your opponent controls. You control no swamps. What happens?

I'll get back to you on this.

You didn't. Do I win a point by defa wrote:

2) You have Volrath's Shapeshifter in play, and a Dominating Licid on top of your graveyard. You play the Licid ability and target a Bog Serpent that you own, but your opponent controls. You control no swamps. What happens?[/quote]
I'll get back to you on this.[/quote]
You didn't. Do I win a point by default?

Flag October 11, 2008 4:29 PM PDT
D5Q1 Show
D5Q1: Player A has a in play. He then plays followed by . Both creatures are used to attack and both creatures are blocked. What are the possible damage totals which can be dealt to the defending player?

D5Q2 Show
D5Q2: Player A is playing player B. Player A plays . He then plays in the first main phase. The dies in the second main phase. Player A finishes this turn, and then takes another turn and completes it. Whose turn is it now?
Flag October 11, 2008 7:04 PM PDT

Laurie wrote:

You didn't. Do I win a point by default?

By rule 10, no, at least not yet.

Flag October 11, 2008 7:18 PM PDT
If you target yourself with does the exchange take place?

EDIT> Or is this not 'card interaction' because it is one card?

From page 1: "3. Questions must only cover card interaction rules questions."
Flag October 11, 2008 8:48 PM PDT

Laurie wrote:

You didn't. Do I win a point by default?

I'm sorry if I missed anything. I'll get back to it in a minute.

Flag October 11, 2008 8:50 PM PDT

teliot wrote:

Can a player choose to trigger by conceding?

Well, its a replacement... And, I was part of that discussion on these boards. Ave and Gavin say no, so the official answer is no.

Flag October 11, 2008 8:56 PM PDT

Furious Demon Fiend wrote:

If you target yourself with does the exchange take place?

EDIT> Or is this not 'card interaction' because it is one card?

From page 1: "3. Questions must only cover card interaction rules questions."

I don't care if it's just one card.

There is no exchange between someone and him/herself. Juxtapose will pretty much do nothing.

Flag October 11, 2008 9:28 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

Day 5; Question 1 Show

Player A is at 20 life and controls a and a .
Player B is at 20 life and controls a and a .
Player B also controls an that Player A owns, but it's enchanted by an that Player B controls.

On Player A's Turn, he plays the second mode of and declares the Duskworker and Covetous Dragon as Attacking.
Player B Blocks the Duskworker with his Sickle Ripper and the Covetous Dragon with his Ornithopter.

While Combat Damage is on the Stack, Player B plays , Targeting Player A, sacrificing his Sickle Ripper to pay the additional Cost.

Assuming no other actions are taken by either Player this turn, what are Player A's and B's lifetotal as the turn ends?

First, B loses one life from Shriveling Rot's trigger. Then Fling resolves dealing 2 to A. B=19 A=18
Then, Combat damage resolves dealing 2 wither damage to Duskworker and 6 damage to the poor old Ornithopter. Thopter and Duskworker go to yard as SBE's. Dragon triggers. Rot triggers. Feast triggers.
SBE's are checked again and Enslave goes to the yard. (like that matters)
Grim Feasts resolve first. B gains 2 for both creatures. B=23 A=18
Shriveling Rot resolves. Each player loses 2. B=21 A=16
Covetous Dragon's trigger resolves, the dragon dies. Feast and Rot trigger.
Feast and Rot resolve B gains 5 and A loses 5.

B=26 A=11.

Day 5; Question 2 Show

In a 4-Player Free-For-All game, the turn order is A - B - C - D.
Player B controls .

It is Player D's Main Phase and each player has 2 cards in hand, Player D plays with an X of 3.
In response, Player B activates his Words of Waste 3 times.

After the Prosperity finished resolving, how many cards does each player have in their hand?

Playing prosperity brings D's hand down to 1 right off the bat. Prosperity then causes for everyone, in turn order, starting with AP, three instances of "Draw a card."
D goes up to 4.
A goes up to 5.
B remains at 2 and everyone else gets three discards.
D goes to 1.
A goes to 2.
C goes to 0.
Then C draws up to 3.

A=2 B=2 C=3 D=1

Flag October 11, 2008 9:34 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Then, Combat damage resolves dealing 2 wither damage to Duskworker

Darn. We were hoping that would have tripped you up. However...

Grim Feasts resolve first. B gains 2 for both creatures. B=23 A=18
Shriveling Rot resolves. Each player loses 2. B=21 A=16

Wrong.
The Duskworker left play as a 0/0; ie. A toughness of 0. A loses no life for it, B gains no life for it.

A=2 B=2 C=3 D=1

Correct.

Flag October 11, 2008 9:46 PM PDT

NereusRen wrote:

I haven't seen anyone label their questions with "day 5" yet, or any other indication that today's stumping has kicked off, so maybe people are having login trouble again? Anyway, here's my final day's questions.
Day 5, Question 1 Show

There was already a question about Aether Web/can't block/blocks as though/etc., but I think this one is different enough.

Player A attacks with , enchanted with , and (which he will pay for). Player B controls and . Which attacking creatures can he block? If Player A were to have played before attacking, then which creatures could Player B have blocked?

A world enchantment question? Neato.
Wind Drake says "Flying; This creature can't block creatures without flying." Of the attackers, only the Kithkin have flying.
Thus, Wind Drake can only block Order of the Golden Cricket.

Gravity Sphere removes Chaosphere. Now Wind Drake has no abilities. Order of the Golden Cricket will still get flying. Because Wind Drake is not a wall, it will only be able to block Gnat Alley Creeper.

Day 5, Question 2 Show

As promised... a licid.

A player controls , a , and a which is a copy of . He plays the VS's Licid ability to attach it to Grizzly Bears. At the beginning of his next upkeep, he wants to choose to turn it face down with the VS trigger. He then wants to pay to turn it face-up and copy his . (If he is not able to do either or both of these things, he does nothing instead.) What are Grizzly Bears' characteristics (abilities, p/t), and where is the Vesuvan Shapeshifter?

VS will become an untapped morph creature enchanting Grizzly Bears (oh no!)
VS falls off, but remains in play. You can then use the morph ability.
Once VS is a copy of the Knight, Bears will be a 4/4 with no abilities.

Flag October 11, 2008 9:46 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

Darn. We were hoping that would have tripped you up. However...

Wrong.
The Duskworker left play as a 0/0; ie. A toughness of 0. A loses no life for it, B gains no life for it.

My math! One point.

Flag October 11, 2008 10:01 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Of the attackers, only the Kithkin have flying.

Why doesn't being enchanted by grant the Flying?

VS will become an untapped morph creature enchanting Grizzly Bears (oh no!)

Why does turning the Shapeshifter face-down end the Continuous effect generated by the Licid's ability?

Flag October 11, 2008 10:06 PM PDT

Guardian Phoenix wrote:

D5Q1 Show

D5Q1: Player A has a in play. He then plays followed by . Both creatures are used to attack and both creatures are blocked. What are the possible damage totals which can be dealt to the defending player?

Bears seem popular this year. Rightfully so, Orton seems a lot better than Grossman. But I digress.

0 or 4.

D5Q2 Show

D5Q2: Player A is playing player B. Player A plays . He then plays in the first main phase. The dies in the second main phase. Player A finishes this turn, and then takes another turn and completes it. Whose turn is it now?

The game is over. Turns are taken in reverse order from when they are made. Wormfang Manta's extra turn was generated last, so IT is the one that tries to happen first, and is skipped. At the end of Player A's turn Last Chance's trigger kills him.

Flag October 11, 2008 10:09 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

Why doesn't being enchanted by grant the Flying?

Loses flying has the newest timestamp.

Why does turning the Shapeshifter face-down end the Continuous effect generated by the Licid's ability?

This one was a guess.

Besides, I'm asking for CAs for the top two placers. You and Ren are uncatchable.

Flag October 11, 2008 10:13 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Loses flying has the newest timestamp.

That was from the first part of your answer, before Gravity Sphere removed Chaosphere.

Besides, I'm asking for CAs for the top two placers. You and Ren are uncatchable.

Danke.

This was a great Contest! A load of fun.

Flag October 11, 2008 10:17 PM PDT

Feigel wrote:

That was from the first part of your answer, before Gravity Sphere removed Chaosphere.

Oh, I must have not completely wrote out what I was thinking.

Flag October 11, 2008 10:24 PM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

Bears seem popular this year. Rightfully so, Orton seems a lot better than Grossman. But I digress.

Guardian Phoenix wrote:

D5Q1 Show

D5Q1: Player A has a in play. He then plays followed by . Both creatures are used to attack and both creatures are blocked. What are the possible damage totals which can be dealt to the defending player?

0 or 4.

At the point in the turn the question is being asked, only 1 possibility still exists. 's choice must be made as it is resolving, not when it comes time to actually deal the damage.

Flag October 11, 2008 10:28 PM PDT

Guardian Phoenix wrote:

At the point in the turn the question is being asked, only 1 possibility still exists. 's choice must be made as it is resolving, not when it comes time to actually deal the damage.

But, you didn't tell me which choice was made. So with the info I was given, there are two possibilities.

Flag October 12, 2008 12:01 AM PDT
This contest is now closed to new questions.

10. On Sunday I will answer any outstanding questions and contestants have a final chance to claim I answered questions incorrectly. After Sunday I will submit final results and winner(s) will be able to receive prize.
Flag October 12, 2008 12:17 AM PDT

Leftconsin wrote:

A world enchantment question? Neato.
Wind Drake says "Flying; This creature can't block creatures without flying." Of the attackers, only the Kithkin have flying.
Thus, Wind Drake can only block Order of the Golden Cricket.

As Feigel pointed out, Elven Riders have flying until Gravity Sphere comes down. Since you say that Wind Drake does still have flying, then Gravity Sphere must not be in play yet, and that means the Wind Drake can block the Riders as well.

Gravity Sphere removes Chaosphere. Now Wind Drake has no abilities. Order of the Golden Cricket will still get flying. Because Wind Drake is not a wall, it will only be able to block Gnat Alley Creeper.

This portion is clearly correct, the main trick being whether you notice and apply the World rule. Apparently you read all the cards this time, yay! I felt a little bad getting a point for non-regeneration on Porphyry Nodes, although that's obviously the reason I included a regenerator as one of the creatures.

VS will become an untapped morph creature enchanting Grizzly Bears (oh no!)
VS falls off, but remains in play. You can then use the morph ability.
Once VS is a copy of the Knight, Bears will be a 4/4 with no abilities.

Since the Licid-ability's continuous effect has not worn off (since you haven't paid to end it), VS remains a non-creature "Aura enchantment with enchant creature" the whole time, and doesn't fall off, although it stops granting haste when it turns face-down. It can be turned face up and gets the Knight's ability that pumps the Bears up to 4/4, but it is still attached as a non-creature Aura(!).

Incidentally, I once asked this question here at Rules Q&A (with different details), and there were zero replies. It just fell off the front page. I'd never seen that happen before on this board . Rather than bump it, I sent it to MTG-L where Jeff Jordan was happy to walk through it and point out the mistake I'd made. It was a real question, too, since I had a deck with both VS and in it, and playing these shenanigans lets me attach the Licid straight from one creature to the next without having to end the effect and make it a (highly vulnerable) creature in between. You can read the post and reply at the MTG-L archives from August 19th-20th 2007 if you're interested.

Flag October 12, 2008 12:45 AM PDT
You appear to have missed my shorter resub so here it is again

Mashav wrote:

Player A and Player B are playing a casual game without using the official rules.
Player A Has , , and . 16 basic lands
Player B Has , , and 17 lands,

At the Start of Player b's turn both players are at 20 life.

In player B's Main phase he plays followed by
Player A then plays targeting and on

If all regular rules and card interactions started affecting the game right now, without reversing any actions what would the life totals of the players be...
A) As the stack is resolving?
B) At the end of player B's Turn?

Flag October 16, 2008 6:25 AM PDT
Heh. You still didn't answer my Volrath's Shapeshifter question.

Do I get a point by default yet?