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4 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2009 - 4:06PM
#621
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Date Joined:
Apr 13, 2008
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Does anyone think this deck looks like Brew?
// Lands
4 [EVE] Rugged Prairie
4 [10E] Battlefield Forge
4 [LRW] Windbrisk Heights
6 [10E] Plains (3)
3 [10E] Mountain (1)
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
// Creatures
4 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
4 [10E] Siege-Gang Commander
3 [LRW] Ajani Goldmane
2 [MOR] Reveillark
3 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
4 [10E] Mogg Fanatic
1 [LRW] Cloudgoat Ranger
// Spells
4 [ALA] Dragon Fodder
4 [SHM] Spectral Procession
2 [ALA] Elspeth Knight-Errant
4 [LRW] Lash Out
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [MOR] Reveillark
SB: 4 [10E] Wrath of God
SB: 4 [LRW] Oblivion Ring
SB: 4 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tender
SB: 2 [SHM] Runed Halo
No Ajani Vengeant, sadly. I never caught up on that tech. But nearly everything else is there.
And this deck was made on September 29, 2008. With help from krazykirby and the rest of the people here. Koyalrut and Momo contributed a lot too.
Umm, so I don't really frequent these forums any more, but I do blog for my website Greatplay.net.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2009 - 4:51PM
#622
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Date Joined:
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Umm. Not really. The only commonality with boat brew is the siege-gang revilark interaction. Boat brew doesn't usually include burn, Elspeth, or cloudgoat and generally has more than 2 larks. It's a similar idea, but its not "essentially boat brew".
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4 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2009 - 4:59PM
#623
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Date Joined:
Apr 13, 2008
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Umm. Not really. The only commonality with boat brew is the siege-gang revilark interaction. Boat brew doesn't usually include burn, Elspeth, or cloudgoat and generally has more than 2 larks. It's a similar idea, but its not "essentially boat brew".
Firstly, consider it was pre-Conflux, and it was early.
But a lot of the deck is the same: 4 Moggs, 4 Figures, 3 Rangers, 2 out of 3 Larks, 4 SGC, 4 Heights, 4 Pool, 4 Forge, 4 Rugged, 4 Procession.
There was a 3rd Lark in the board.
I admit Cloudgoat Ranger seems dumb, looking from now into the past.
Umm, so I don't really frequent these forums any more, but I do blog for my website Greatplay.net.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2009 - 5:16PM
#624
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Boat Brew doesn't even run cards from Conflux, besides, what, Fallout?  The only major change I recall since Conflux was that some decks now run a Flamekin Harbinger engine to set up a Lark-fueled victory. That said, after Shards came out, virtually any aggressively-minded deck with white as a pillar color was running Spectral as well as Windbrisk, Figures, and to a lesser extent Lark, in the main or side. I don't think you guys 'made' Boat Brew any more then Veji caused Swans to have a come-back with his U/R Counterburn thread. Not to say you all didn't do good work.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2009 - 5:48PM
#625
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I hate to be the guy who rains on the parade, but here's where this train of thought is going to lead: - You guys will find a post date for the first time Boat Brew was conceived on the forums.
- Then, you'll look up and possibly find the the first ever mention of boat brew in any form that was made by a pro player.
- Unfortunately, this quest ends once you then realize that you can't track when that player conceptualized the deck.
- However, there is a concrete date on when the post was made here, which gives hope. However, it too is only as good as an article on the internet, not when the deck was actually thought of.
- Unable to compare a solid date against when an idea entered someone's head, you won't have any evidence, and will have to resign to mere speculation about who made it first.
- Everyone will gloat that it was here, lol. :D
It sucks, because I really want to see a pro deck made here first, but it's the truth. 
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4 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2009 - 5:56PM
#626
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Date Joined:
Apr 13, 2008
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Boat Brew doesn't even run cards from Conflux, besides, what, Fallout?
No, not Fallout. But Path.
That said, after Shards came out, virtually any aggressively-minded deck with white as a pillar color was running Spectral as well as Windbrisk, Figures, and to a lesser extent Lark, in the main or side. I don't think you guys 'made' Boat Brew any more then Veji caused Swans to have a come-back with his U/R Counterburn thread. Not to say you all didn't do good work.
Of course I'm not saying that the Pros grabbed RW Tokens from here and ran (although they could have), but I am saying that RW Tokens did come up in discussion here before it came up in articles outside of here.
I hate to be the guy who rains on the parade, but here's where this train of thought is going to lead:
We've had RW Tokens loosely "conceptualized" here before Alara even was Standard legal, and even before that I tried RW Mirrorweave Tokens.
I guess it could be possible that the pros held out for three months before discussing it.
Umm, so I don't really frequent these forums any more, but I do blog for my website Greatplay.net.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2009 - 5:58PM
#627
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Date Joined:
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Firstly, consider it was pre-Conflux, and it was early.
But a lot of the deck is the same: 4 Moggs, 4 Figures, 3 Rangers, 2 out of 3 Larks, 4 SGC, 4 Heights, 4 Pool, 4 Forge, 4 Rugged, 4 Procession.
There was a 3rd Lark in the board.
I admit Cloudgoat Ranger seems dumb, looking from now into the past.
So a R/W deck that happens to use a generally good mana base (the only important thing being the Heights), and has about 1/2 the same cards has "nearly everything" that Boat Brew does? I'm not saying it's a bad deck, but trying to say that "I came up with idea X first" never works, especially not when the lists are so different, and I only count 2 token making cards in Boat Brew, so calling it "RW tokens" is kind of silly. Boat Brew is much more about card advantage through recursion and efficient spells.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 03, 2009 - 6:52PM
#628
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Date Joined:
Apr 13, 2008
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So a R/W deck that happens to use a generally good mana base (the only important thing being the Heights), and has about 1/2 the same cards has "nearly everything" that Boat Brew does?
Uh... yes.
Everything except Vengeant.
I'm not saying it's a bad deck, but trying to say that "I came up with idea X first" never works
I wasn't attempting to do that. As I said earlier, I was just pointing out that the idea was here before it appeared elsewhere.
especially not when the lists are so different
...Except they're not.
and I only count 2 token making cards in Boat Brew, so calling it "RW tokens" is kind of silly.
...Except it is RW Tokens, because it wins with... you know... Tokens.
SGC and Procession are key cards to the deck.
Boat Brew is much more about card advantage through recursion and efficient spells.
Yes.
Umm, so I don't really frequent these forums any more, but I do blog for my website Greatplay.net.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 7:18AM
#629
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I hate to be the guy who rains on the parade, but here's where this train of thought is going to lead:
- You guys will find a post date for the first time Boat Brew was conceived on the forums.
- Then, you'll look up and possibly find the the first ever mention of boat brew in any form that was made by a pro player.
- Unfortunately, this quest ends once you then realize that you can't track when that player conceptualized the deck.
- However, there is a concrete date on when the post was made here, which gives hope. However, it too is only as good as an article on the internet, not when the deck was actually thought of.
- Unable to compare a solid date against when an idea entered someone's head, you won't have any evidence, and will have to resign to mere speculation about who made it first.
- Everyone will gloat that it was here, lol. :D
It sucks, because I really want to see a pro deck made here first, but it's the truth.
Except the reason it's called Boat Brew is because it was actually thought of and conceived on a boat on the way to a Pro Tour.... Going from idea in head to deck is a huuuuuge step.
Personally, my first though when I saw the Deck Tech on Boat Brew was "no, that's the RW Tokens deck Greg and kirby came up with!".
To be fair, the lists concieved here were also way better than the first boat brew list imo.
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4 years ago ::
Mar 04, 2009 - 10:23AM
#630
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Date Joined:
Mar 21, 2001
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Well regardless of who made the deck first, it is still a really nice deck and is worth discussing even further. Anyways I was trying out a G/W build a few weeks ago, and I believe I am going to switch over to the B/W build, or at least something that looks like it. Some points I have come across: In my 5 Color Control filled meta, Head Games has been really good. I am thinking of main decking two and having a third on the Sideboard. The thing about head games is, that you have to bait them. Play something like Ajani or something else they do not like and hope you can get it to resolve. Not an easy task but if it happens... Also I have seen some points about Marsh Flitter going into the deck over Cloudgoat Ranger  . If this is the case, (which I like Marsh Flitter  in the mana curve better), then maybe there could also be another suggestion such as Oona's Blackguard  over Tidehollow Sculler  ? The blackguard has helped me in playtesting with the hand disruption as well as increasing the odds of surving a Volcanic Fallout  . In goes really nice with the Marsh Flitter too. Thoughts? What about Eyeblight's Ending? I find the terror's are not working to well against Broodmate Dragon. Now I am basing a lot of this off of some playtesting against 5 Color Control and I have had some success with this build: 4 Windbrisk Heights  2 Swamp  4 Reflecting Pool  3 Plains  2 Mutavault  3 Fetid Heath  4 Caves of Koilos  2 Arcane Sanctum  4 Thoughtseize  4 Glorious Anthem  4 Bitterblossom  1 Ajani Goldmane  4 Knight of Meadowgrain  4 Spectral Procession  3 Eyeblight's Ending  2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant  4 Oona's Blackguard 4 Marsh Flitter 2 Head Games  Sideboard: 3 Burrenton Forge-Tender  2 Ajani Goldmane 1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant 2 Martial Coup  4 Kitchen Finks  1 Head Games 2 Wrath of God 
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