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5 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2008 - 5:19AM
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Once again, conflicting opinions floating around my local card shop... Close friend plays a treefolk deck that, of course, has 2 Timber Protector  in play, so all his treefolk are indestructible. Opponent plays Wrath of God. Judge says that the spell does not kill the treefolk because of the indestructible rule. Next Friday, we go to a different city because of a big sale they were having and end up playing there. Same story as last time except this time it was a Damnation  played, the judge says that the treefolk are dead because the Damnation does not directly target them, therefore the indestructible rule is ignored. Which judge was in the wrong?
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5 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2008 - 5:31AM
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Once again, conflicting opinions floating around my local card shop...
Close friend plays a treefolk deck that, of course, has 2 Timber Protector in play, so all his treefolk are indestructible.
Opponent plays Wrath of God.
Judge says that the spell does not kill the treefolk because of the indestructible rule.
Next Friday, we go to a different city because of a big sale they were having and end up playing there.
Same story as last time except this time it was a Damnation played, the judge says that the treefolk are dead because the Damnation does not directly target them, therefore the indestructible rule is ignored.
Which judge was in the wrong?
The judge which ruled that indestructible objects were destroyed. "Indestructible" means "can not be destroyed." It does not matter if the spell or ability targets or not.
Indestructible
If a permanent is indestructible, rules and effects can't destroy it. Such permanents are not destroyed by lethal damage, and they ignore the lethal-damage state-based effect (see rule 420.5c). Rules or effects may cause an indestructible permanent to be sacrificed, put into a graveyard, or removed from the game.
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5 years ago ::
Sep 13, 2008 - 5:38AM
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The ruling would be correct if the ability involved is protection, a common rulings concern. It's possible that the judge misunderstood the question and thought you were talking about protection.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2010 - 5:55PM
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So Indestructible = can only die if it has 0 toughness, so even global destruction effects can not kill them, where as Shroud and Protection from x Color can get killed by by global destruction effects?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2010 - 5:58PM
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So Indestructible = can only die if it has 0 toughness, so even global destruction effects can not kill them, where as Shroud and Protection from x Color can get killed by by global destruction effects?
Right.
Please don't bump old threads. Start a new thread for new questions.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 16, 2010 - 6:01PM
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So Indestructible = can only die if it has 0 toughness
Not really; there are many ways to kill something that's indestructible. In fact, it's easier to look at it from the perspective of what being indestructible stops, rather than what it doesn't.
Being indestructible means it's impossible to destroy, which means that things that say "destroy" won't do anything to it, and lethal damage doesn't do anything to it either, since (normal) damage works by causing the creature to be destroyed. Absolutely everything else--bounce, legend rule, 0 toughness, exiling, shuffling it into the library  --works exactly the same as normal, because nothing else involves destroying it.
And so people say to me, "How do I know if a word is real?" You know, anyone who's read a children's book knows that love makes things real. If you love a word, use it! That makes it real. Being in the dictionary is an artificial distinction; it doesn't make the word any more real than any other word. If you love a word, it becomes real.
--Erin McKean, Redefining the Dictionary
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2 years ago ::
Jul 07, 2011 - 11:30PM
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if thats the case wrath of god/ day of judgement / damnation are crap and i will burn my play set of each of them and not play anymore!!!
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2 years ago ::
Jul 08, 2011 - 12:43AM
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did you really join the forums to post in a year old thread to state you're done with Magic the Gathering?
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2 years ago ::
Jul 08, 2011 - 9:15AM
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if thats the case wrath of god/ day of judgement / damnation are crap and i will burn my play set of each of them and not play anymore!!!
As a replacement effect, please send those playsets to me. I will take them free of charge. You can PM me for a mailing address.
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