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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 1:33PM #1
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Instant Soup Mix





What is Instant Soup Mix? Show
Instant Soup Mix is a deck that uses Jhoira of the Ghitu to suspend powerful creatures and spells while keeping your mana open to control the board and protect your win conditions. It uses creatures like Aeon Chronicler and Detritivore that are best when held in suspension, creatures like Deep-Sea Kraken and Greater Gargadon that can shrug off 4 counters quickly, and spells like Time Stretch that are even better when played during your upkeep without tapping out. Many versions of ISM exist, with the most popular being a midrange aggro-control build and a draw-go style control build. Which build is optimal has yet to be decided, but all of them can be very competitive.

How do I play Instant Soup Mix? Show
Well that all depends on which version you choose to play, but all versions have some key similarities. The most important is that you do not play Jhoira when you cannot back her up. Few creatures have a bigger target on their foreheads than this beauty. If this means waiting until you have counterspell backup or simply until you can suspend 1 or 2 spells before she dies, that is much better than losing her immediately. The other important aspect of this deck is balance. You have to find a balance between Jhoira's suspenders and the support of the rest of the deck, whatever that support may be.



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Creatures Show
The Meat Show
Cup Cakes -the centerpiece of the deck
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir -With Tef and Jhoira out, this deck becomes nigh-unstoppable
Arcanis the Omnipotent -Suspend him via Jhoira or hardcast him EOT with Teferi out, either way he's an amazing card draw engine
Creatures to Suspend Show
Aeon Chronicler -You can now spend to get the amount of draws that you would have previously had to spend for
Detritivore -Like Chronicler, only uncounterable land destruction
Deep-Sea Kraken -With only 4 counters this guy should be unsuspending in no time
Greater Gargadon
Nihilith
Tidespout Tyrant
Akroma, Angel of Wrath
Akroma, Angel of Fury
Reya Dawnbringer
Numot, the Devastator and other dragon legends
Shivan Hellkite
Platinum Angel
Kaervek the Merciless -Everyone plays spells
Denizen of the Deep
Support Creatures Show
Vedalken Aethermage -Tutors for Jhoira, Teferi, Arcanis, and some of Jhoira's targets
Venser, Shaper Savant -Saves your permanents, "counters" spells, or returns your Chronicler/Detritivore for more suspended fun
Willbender -"Counters" those pesky split second spells
Jhoira's Timebug -Can be useful as it gets your suspended creatures out faster. But without anything suspended this is a pretty useless creature
Rift Elemental -Like Timebug in that it manipulates time counters, but this can also swing for some pretty good damage. Again, not useful without suspended spells
Shivan Sand-Mage
Timebender

Other Spells Show
Counters/Bounce Show
Delay -This is a hard counter if you have Teferi out, and it can be used to counter your own Chronicler or Detritivore for more suspended fun
Pact of Negation -Surprise counter when you're tapped out. Just don't forget the upkeep
Rune Snag
Cancel
Flashfreeze
Time Stop
Unsummon
Boomerang
Wipe Away
Burn Show
Incinerate
Psionic Blast
Riddle of Lightning -With lots of high cc spells, this can often finish your opponent
Beacon of Distruction
Molten Disaster
Spells to Suspend Show
These spells can be abused with Jhoira or simply fit well in the deck
Time Stretch -2 extra turns is always good. And if you can suspend another one of these or play a Twincast as it resolves, you're looking at a lot of successive turns
Arc Blade -With Timebug and Rift Elemental, you can manipulate this so it goes off whenever you need it. Also, recurring damage for free is good.
Reality Strobe -See above. This and Arc Blade can be great together to disrupt your opponent's board.
Pandemonium -Stack unsuspended spells so this comes out first, followed immediately by a few big creatures to end the game.
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Lands Show


Other Info
Protecting Jhoira Show
The main problem with this deck is that Jhoira is extremely easy to kill with only 2 toughness. Most burn and mass removal can simply be countered, but other spells are harder to deal with, particularly Sudden Shock , Sudden Death , and Molten Disaster . Removal without split second is easy enough to work around by countering the spell or simply suspending whatever big creatures are in your hand at the time. There are a few ways to deal with the split second spells:
1) Increase Jhoira's toughness: There are numerous ways to permanently increase your creature's toughness in standard right now, although this only affects Molten Disaster by making it cost more.
2) Willbender : An easy and cheap way to deal with Sudden Shock and Sudden Death, although this doesn't affect Molten Disaster.
3) Make Jhoira untargettable: Veilstone Amulet and Whispersilk Cloak are the first cards that come to mind here. Again, this doesn't deal with Molten Disaster.
4) Extirpate : So they kill one Jhoira. You have 3 more waiting, and now they can never play that spell again. However, this only works in a R/U/b version.
5) Don't worry about it: If this deck is built well, it can still win consistently without ever seeing a Jhoira. Including too many cards simply to protect her could hinder your deck greatly. So perhaps leaving it to fate is the best option here.

Sample Decklists Show
Deck Ideas Show
Jhoira Control: This deck would be a basic deck that uses Jhoira alongside Teferi, Aeon Chronicler and Detritivore to control the game. Other cards would include Vedalken Aethermages/Mystical Teachings for tutoring, some burn and support spells, and counters to protect your pieces and help control the board. Wins with Teferi, Chronicler, and Detritivore, along with one or two other finishers.
Midrange Jhoira: This deck uses the necessary pieces then fills the rest of the deck with creatures and other spells that disrupt your opponent's game and win quickly. This can use the PC Dragons, Mindleech Mass, Deep-Sea Kraken, and others that simply own your opponent once they're in play.
Jhoira/Pandemonium Combo: This deck uses Jhoira to suspend a Pandemonium along with a couple of big hitters like Greater Gargadon. Uses Timebugs to ensure that they come out on the same turn even if they're suspended on different turns. When everything unsuspends, stack spells so Pandemonium comes out first, followed by big creatures to deal a lot of damage.

These are only a few possible deck ideas. The deck can take multiple directions, so find the one that suits you and your meta best.
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 1:40PM #2
sneezachoo
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A Teferi controlled by an opponent could cause trouble for this deck.

Also, Jhoira is a bit vulnerable to removal eh? But I guess if you're playing draw-go and holding counters you should be alright. Just watch out for sudden shock s.
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 1:40PM #3
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This does look to have potential. I wanted to picked up 2 jhoira's from the pre-release but I couldnt get anyone to trade them over.
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 1:43PM #4
Dakken21
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Personally, I find that Jhoira seems to have the most potential in a deck utilizing both Detritivore and Aeon Chronicler, in fact, Paradox Haze might even be useful, if you really get down to it, this deck can do ALOT to screw with people...I'm gunna have to start working on this one soon! :D

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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 2:00PM #5
mellojoe
Date Joined: Jan 10, 2006
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Aeon Chronicler 's new friend, for sure.

I love how Jhoira let's you play off-color Suspend cards, too.
1-of Roiling Horror ?

Or use alternate suspend ability cards like Nihilith and Deep-Sea Kraken to get them into play faster.

PS: I dig the art. Usually, I don't like this style of drawing, but this one is so captivating. Way to go, Kev Walker.
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 2:00PM #6
Smily123
Date Joined: Nov 18, 2005
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now we need bombs... since they don't have to be on colored we can bring the biggest badest stuff in standard

i'll try to come up with some soon

in no particular order

1. storm herd
2. verdant force
3. curse of the cabal meh
4. garza,zol plauge queen meh again
5. dragon cycle Numot, the Devastator , Intet, the Dreamer , etc
6. nephilim cycle Dune-Brood Nephilim


i didn't spend much time on this
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 2:07PM #7
zombiegleemax
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she will work better in more blue/red izzetron type burn decks.

rather than in drahlnu style decks.

time will tell.
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 2:17PM #8
zombiegleemax
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Hero's Remembered with Storm Herd would be nice but of course KKK will kill them all (sry I just had to do that...>.< I swear i'm not racist I have a color TV)
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 2:46PM #9
albinoninja
Date Joined: May 19, 2006
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Dont forget that there r a bunch of spells that remove time counters from time spiral and planar chaos gonna take some time to get a good build for her though but looking forward to some johnny's to make some good decks im not much of a johnny myself though
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6 years ago  ::  Apr 23, 2007 - 2:55PM #10
ix_deadend
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DarkAvatar1018 wrote:

Utilizing this card can create the ultimate draw-go deck (possibly better than dralnu) in which the only time you tap mana during your own turn is when you play Jhoira or when you counter your opponent's instants.


by patterning it to dralnu, i'm guessing that the deck has a lot of counters. you're going to need quite a bit of mana before you can get jhoira out and protect her effectively while holding off opposing threats. dunno. it seems a bit slow and difficult to pull off.

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