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4 years ago ::
Nov 27, 2008 - 4:41PM
#611
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Date Joined:
Mar 23, 2006
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3 Brushland
2 Fire-Lit Thicket
2 Forest
3 Reflecting pool
2 Jungle Shrine
4 Karplusan Forest
2 Mutavault
4 Treetop Village
2 Wooded Bastion
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4 Birds of Paradise
4 Bloom Tender
3 Chameleon Colossus
4 Figure of Destiny
3 Kitchen Finks
4 Realm Razer
4 Woolly Thoctar
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3 Ajani Vengeant
2 Garruk Wildspeaker
3 Magma Spray
2 Naya Charm
Any updates on the sideboard?
I personally find 4 Magma Spray 3 Figure of Destiny a better configuration. Magma Spray is simply awesome! Maybe it is a meta call?
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4 years ago ::
Nov 27, 2008 - 5:42PM
#612
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2008
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ok well here is the current sideboard and plans, taking it to city championships this weekend i think. I will consider -1 FOD +1 Magma spray, i usually find i have more than enough removal and prefer creatures to play instead. But i need some more playtesting to be certain on it.
Sideboard
2 Oblivion Ring
2 Wrath of god
3 Gaddock Teeg
2 Pyroclasm
4 Guttural Response
2 Cloudthresher
Sideboard Stratergies
Faeries (8) (Non broken ambtion version -1 Gaddock +1 Guttural Response )
+2 Cloudthresher
+3 Gaddock Teeg
+3 Guttural Response
-2 Garruck Wildspeaker
-3 Ajani Vengeant
-2 Naya Charm
Kith(6)
+2 Pyroclasm
+2 Cloudthresher
+2 Wrath of God
-2 Garruck Wildspeaker
-4 Realm Razer
QnT(4)
+4 Guttural Response
-3 chameleon colossus
-1 Magma Spray
RDW (4)
+2 Oring
+2 Cloudthresher
-4 Realm Razer
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4 years ago ::
Nov 27, 2008 - 7:28PM
#613
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Date Joined:
Mar 23, 2006
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it's a shame that you cannot fit in condemn for the RDW matchup.
I recommend SB in Gaddock Teeg against QnT too. It stops Cryptic Command and Ultimatums.
I would try to fit in pithing needle. I works against planeswalker decks too. Many are prepared against oblivion ring (wispmare), but not many is prepared against pithing needle.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2008 - 2:14AM
#614
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2008
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Well i was speaking to my QnT player friend and we decided that in the main deck there is that much QnT hate that sideboarding in teeg is not really needed, it does stop alot of there cards though, and forces them to use a precious bant charm on a 2/2 grizzly bear early on, it stops 4xwrath of god 4x cryptic 2x cruel ult makeshift maniquein, and a few others. But they do have 8 main deck ways of removing it. I might put in 4x guttural Response ( bomb card) and 2x Teeg and take out 3 magma spray 3 Chameleon Colossus.
For faeries they have 4 spot removal ish. So if they are forced to use one on a 2/2, which also gives me a few turns of cover i'm happy.
Well most planeswalker builds also use O rings, so pithing needles i dont feel are perfect in that matchup, the best way of gettign rid of there planeswalkers are usualyl to trade one for one with Garruck/ ajani V then naya charm them to get though the damage, it might be worht sideboarding in 1x more naya charm for that exact reason.
Condmened is instant yes, but the main threats you want to condemn come late game, So if ive not razered them by then taking 5 damage from Demigod to give me the flexablity of o rings against Light from within and planewalker builds. While also dealing effectivly with Chameleon Colossus and Oversoul of dusk means i decided to go with it instead. The great thing about condemned is that its a 1 drop, it can be changed with magma spray to keep the curve nice.
But apart from that im quite happy with it at the moment, it constantly changes but thats a given. I'm not sure if 4x board sweepers are needed for kith but having a turn 2/3 mass removal to kill spectral procession tokens etc really helps.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 28, 2008 - 9:33PM
#615
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Date Joined:
Jan 21, 2008
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So went to FNM tonight and fan Razor. Got there 10 min late so the match was already started. The first guy i went against was being a little girl and insisted that since i was late he won the first match. so i started off weak. I ended out 5th because of it and my mistake going against FAE with sideboarding. So here is how it went.
Game 1 - against Blue jank running bant charm and lots of counter
Started out with 1 loss. was all rushed and took a hand that i shouldnt have had 2 land and couldnt get my red so as soon as i did mid game i couldnt do much seeing how everything got countered. Got him to waist a few on stuff and slid a FoD in and a Tender was at like 4 life and popped in a razor that stuck but next turn he killed me so it happens. If i would have had the Naya Charm in hand game would have gone a little longer but he didnt take my bluff.
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Game 2 - Blue jank I dont know were he was going with this deck but he didnt stand a chance. First game i got off slow but comboed on turn 5.. razor with a shield.. not much more to say.
second round turn 3 razor and that is all she wrote.. he tried to reach for the light but a razor with a shield and my little wolly pet had one also.. game over.
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Game 3- Goblin jank OK this kid never saw it coming and was playing a really bad Goblin deck. i didnt even need to combo just played a wolly with a shield and he couldnt stop it. round 2 was going to side in Pyroclasm just in case i had the over run happen but didnt. got down to 1 health cause i mulliganed down to 6 but still got off the win. didnt play to win and it cost me some life but a win is a win so it happens i leaned from my mistakes.
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Game 4- Fae U/B So here it is. I knew it was coming and right off the bat i had to muligan down to 5 i mean man what a pain. But i lead out with FoD and got tender out.. and that was all it took next was tender turn 3 razor then a shield on it and off to the races. he double Agony Warped and it was gone.. got my wooly out with a shield and he was done. round 2 i sided in Tegg and like a moron put in Gutteral responce. when i should have put in pyroclasm but i did it and i paid. i again had a bad hand on 2 and it was over fast. round 3 was a draw and i end up going
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5 rounds won and 3 lost so over all i think it was a good learning experience. will make sure next time i write down my sideboard list so i dont mess up again.
Learned that people always take out the big threat like wolly, razor or FoD and never mess with my tender.... i think if i was playing the mirror that would be the first thing to go. i mean heck if i have a FoD and tender that is 3 mana i dont have to pay for and if u counter a spell i have all my mana left still..
Deck list as follows.. i dont know if i like the Mana set up
// Lands
3 [10E] Battlefield Forge
3 [10E] Brushland
3 [10E] Karplusan Forest
5 [UNH] Plains
5 [UNH] Forest
1 [EVE] Rugged Prairie
1 [SHM] Fire-Lit Thicket
1 [SHM] Wooded Bastion
1 [UNH] Mountain
// Creatures
4 [ALA] Woolly Thoctar
3 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
4 [ALA] Realm Razer
3 [10E] Birds of Paradise
4 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
4 [EVE] Bloom Tender
2 [MOR] Chameleon Colossus
// Spells
3 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
2 [ALA] Elspeth Knight-Errant
4 [ALA] Naya Charm
4 [SHM] Shield of the Oversoul
// Sideboard
SB: 3 [LRW] Gaddock Teeg
SB: 4 [SHM] Guttural Response
SB: 4 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tender
SB: 2 [10E] Pyroclasm
SB: 2 [SHM] Firespout
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4 years ago ::
Nov 29, 2008 - 12:07AM
#616
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Date Joined:
Mar 27, 2003
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Shield in your deck seems a bit win-more to me. I would replace them with better removal or more Planeswalkers (-4 O-Ring, -1 Elspeth, +2/3 split of Garruk, Ajani Vengeant). Other than that, seems good. Mana can be fixed with more filters, less basics.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 01, 2008 - 5:52AM
#617
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2008
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just htought i would add my coventry city champs updates.
i went 3-2 (even though it should be 4-1 or 3-1-1).
first round 2-0
Cruel Toast (complete standard cruel Toast build)
Won both games going 2-0
second round 1-2
UB Faeries. The guy i was playing was in the top 50 in the uk and is part of the Great Britain nationals team. He won the first, i then won the second. We had 3 minutes left to finish the third, he played BB turn 2, Spellstuttered my CC turn 3 the clique turn 4. Removed soul my 2nd CC turn 4 , then just hammered me until i died. It was a bit unfortunate for me had literally a god hand as i felt this should go to a draw, but still to take a game and nearly a draw off one of the best people in the country is not bad for a rogue deck.
third round 2-0
kithkin. Both rounds went according to plan, he couldnt cope with 4 main deck board sweepers and i just munched him with wrath of god in the second game, using naya charm to reoccur it to get the final board sweep in.
forth round1-2
Kithkin again. I felt this loss was unfair, it went 1-2. at the start of the round the invigilator pulled me aside and said some of my foils where bent so i had to replace them with proxies using basic lands. Fine by me. He won the first, i won the second. The third i pulled my first 7 cards spread my hand out and thought i had 3 lands(1 basic 2 filters) but in reality the basic was a Figure of destiny. i already agreed to keep it before i noticed in the first turn. Didnt draw another land for 8 turns losing me the game.
Final round
UBW faeries easy 2-0 for me. The slower faeries build played heavily in my favour, cloudthresher was an awesome card in both faeries matchup. Realm razer less so.
Missed my position in the top 8, ended up coming 10th as both the people who beat me ended up in the top 8.
Gaddock teeg is my only cripe in the sideboard. Against the faeries builds it was useless as they used remove soul over broken ambitions, Vexing shusher would of been much better. Against Toast it stopped me playing one of my planeswalkers when i top decked it, which would of most likely finished the game much sooner. The toast matchup is easy enough already without the need for Teeg. Guttural Response was the best card in both faeries and toast matchups, it really changed the games in my favour countering a cryptic, esper charm or bant charm.
So i was considering
MD
-1 Fod
+1 Kitchen Finks
Awesome vs control, kithkin and any aggro build looking to get damage though
Sideboard
-2 Gaddock Teeg - lackluster card in my oppion
+1 cloudthresher ( mana ramp into a turn 4 cloudthresher is very easy and is devestating vs faeries, also you can force them into championing bitterblossom as you flash it in when they flash clique killing everything other than BB)
+1 wrath of god (MVP in both kithkin matchups, 3 cloudcoat rangers in a row nearly lost me the game if i didnt have this card)
Sideboard
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Wrath of god
2 Pyroclasm
4 Guttural Response
3 Cloudthresher
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4 years ago ::
Dec 01, 2008 - 6:16AM
#618
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Date Joined:
Mar 23, 2006
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Kithkin again. I felt this loss was unfair, it went 1-2. at the start of the round the invigilator pulled me aside and said some of my foils where bent so i had to replace them with proxies using basic lands. Fine by me. He won the first, i won the second. The third i pulled my first 7 cards spread my hand out and thought i had 3 lands(1 basic 2 filters) but in reality the basic was a Figure of destiny. i already agreed to keep it before i noticed in the first turn. Didnt draw another land for 8 turns losing me the game.
This is why people write the name of the proxied card on the card with a marker pen so these silly things don't happen.
A shame that such thing happened. You should've gotten a game loss rather than a 'proxy switch'.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 01, 2008 - 9:26AM
#619
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Date Joined:
Jul 28, 2008
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This is why people write the name of the proxied card on the card with a marker pen so these silly things don't happen.
A shame that such thing happened. You should've gotten a game loss rather than a 'proxy switch'.
Well they said it wasnt classed as cheating as i have 15-20ish cards which where bent, so it wasnt as if i could tell which was which. But it did cause me a default game loss anyways, even if it was unfair it was still my fault but nevermind.
I'm also considering this sideboard
2 Wrath of god
2 Pyroclasm
3 Cloudthresher
2 Oblivion Ring
4 guttural Response
2 Elspeth Knight Errant
Elspeth would be good in the Doran and QnT matchup. Also the Planeswalker matchup it could be used as expensive removal vs there planeswalkers.
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4 years ago ::
Dec 01, 2008 - 9:34AM
#620
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Date Joined:
Oct 11, 2005
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Here is a question for urielxvi: Did you hear about Atma's decision to include this deck in the DtB section but combined with Planeswalker Parade?
Judgment has arrived!
We will need the following in:
Merfolk
Elves/Doran Rock
Naya Goodstuff
Reveillark Control
We may take the following out
Tokens
I think you and Greg_the_Egg should converse and decide who will be making the Thread and what it will be called. (Please don't call it Naya Goodstuff.)
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