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4 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2008 - 2:57AM #581
CyrusBales
Date Joined: Aug 30, 2007
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I suppose Oversoul + Gutteral response is the same mana investment as one cloudthresher, so it's a kinda viable arguement.

Although Oversoul is really just for the RDW match up and suchlike.
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2008 - 2:57AM #582
Adoril20
Date Joined: Jul 28, 2008
Posts: 180
yeah, it seems to be the card of choice to play against faeries, It is nice though, if oversoul resolves your at max 3 turns away from winning, Just hold out for 3 turns and the game is yours. with there biggest creature being clique they will have a hard time racing you. Thresher can always be bounced or worst Puppertee cliqued and used against you.

sideboard plans revamped again

Sideboard
3 x Oblivion Ring
2 x Wrath of god
3 x Gaddock Teeg
2 x Pyroclasm
2 x Guttural Response
2 x Cloudthresher - Oversoul of Dusk
1 x Realm Razer

Sideboard Stratergies
Faeries (7 x )
+2 x Cloudthresher - Oversoul of Dusk
+3 x Gaddock Teeg
+2 x Guttural Response
-2 x Garruck Wildspeaker
-2 x Ajani Vengeant
-3 x Naya Charm

Kith(7 x )
+2 x Pyroclasm
+3 x Gaddock Teeg
+2 x Wrath of God
-4 x Bloom Tender
-3 x Realm Razer

QnT(6 x )
+3 x Gaddock Teeg
+2 x Guttural Response
+1 x Realm Razer
-3 x Naya Charm
-3 x Birds of Paradise

RDW (5 x )
+3 x Oblivion Ring
+2 x Cloudthresher -Oversoul of Dusk
-2 x Garruck Wildspeaker
-3 x Realm Razer

White Out
+3 x Oblivion Ring
-3 x Naya Charm

Doran(5 x )
+3 x Oblivion Ring
+2 x Wrath of God
-2 x Ajani Vengeant
-3 x Naya Charm

Elves(5 x )
+3 x Oblivion Ring
+2 x Wrath Of God
-2 x Garruck Wildspeaker
-3 x Naya Charm



This is whatim thinking of at the moment, I'm not sure if 3 gaddock 3 guttural response and 2 thresher are needed in the faerie matchup, considering its underplayed in my meta. What else couldi remove for the 3rd gaddock in the faerie sideboard plan?
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2008 - 1:37PM #583
urielxvi
Date Joined: Jun 14, 2006
Posts: 103
creature [14]
4 Bloom Tender
4 Figure of Destiny
4 Woolly Thoctar
3 Realm Razer
3 Kitchen Finks

Spells [11]
4 Condemn
4 Naya Charm

planeswalker [10]
4 Garruk Wildspeaker
3 Ajani Vengeant
3 Elspeth, Knight-Errant

Land [23]
Jungle Shrine x4
Reflecting Pool x4
Brushland x4
Karplusan Forest x3
Battlefield Forge x2
Rugged Prairie x2
Fire-Lit Thicket x2
Wooded Bastion x2

SB
3 Firespouts
3 Fulminator Mage
3 Gutteral Response
4 Forge Tenders
1 Cloudthresher
1 Realm Razer


This is my final build, I went 6-0 at GP Atlanta side event with it
Beat every netdeck with it, and its uber fun
Hoping it the tournament will be posted on deckcheck in the next few days, main thread update coming soon
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2008 - 2:05PM #584
Oven
Date Joined: Aug 16, 2008
Posts: 196
Looks good. Condemn over Magma Spray, I like it.

No manlands hey? Not needed with Garruk and Elspeth?
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2008 - 5:27PM #585
Tekanan
Date Joined: Mar 23, 2006
Posts: 1,653
I have been using magma spray as MB, and condemn in SB (a full playset) all this while. Condemn is really useful against creatures like demigod, gouger, treetop village, etc!
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 21, 2008 - 6:51PM #586
MrIndigo
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Date Joined: Mar 27, 2003
Posts: 13,416
I'm currently testing a very similar list.

List 1 Show
// Lands
1 [RAV] Forest (1)
3 [6E] Karplusan Forest
2 [SHM] Wooded Bastion
1 [SHM] Fire-Lit Thicket
2 [9E] Battlefield Forge
2 [UL] Treetop Village
2 [LRW] Vivid Meadow
3 [ALA] Jungle Shrine
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
1 [EVE] Rugged Prairie
3 [5E] Brushland

// Creatures
4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
4 [EVE] Bloom Tender
4 [ALA] Woolly Thoctar
3 [SHM] Wilt-Leaf Liege
2 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
4 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
3 [ALA] Realm Razer
4 [u] Birds of Paradise

// Spells
3 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
1 [ALA] Elspeth Knight-Errant
4 [ALA] Naya Charm

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [SHM] Flame Javelin
SB: 4 [ALA] Oblivion Ring
SB: 4 [X] Naturalize?


I'm also testing this:
List 2 Show
// Lands
4 [ALA] Jungle Shrine
2 [EVE] Rugged Prairie
3 [LRW] Vivid Crag
1 [LRW] Vivid Meadow
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
2 [10E] Treetop Village
3 [SHM] Wooded Bastion
3 [US] Plains (1)
1 [SHM] Fire-Lit Thicket
2 [RAV] Forest (1)

// Creatures
2 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
1 [LRW] Chandra Nalaar
1 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tender
3 [ALA] Ranger of Eos
1 [ST] Loyal Sentry
4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
3 [ALA] Realm Razer
2 [EVE] Archon of Justice
2 [LRW] Garruk Wildspeaker
1 [LRW] Cloudthresher

// Spells
3 [ALA] Ajani Vengeant
3 [6E] Wrath of God
2 [10E] Condemn
3 [10E] Mind Stone
3 [ALA] Naya Charm
1 [ALA] Elspeth Knight-Errant

// Sideboard
SB: 1 [EVE] Figure of Destiny
SB: 1 [LRW] Burrenton Forge-Tender
SB: 1 [6E] Wrath of God
SB: 3 [SOK] Pithing Needle
SB: 3 [SHM] Runed Halo
SB: 3 [ALA] Relic of Progenitus
SB: 3 [8E] Naturalize

I'm not sure about the Ranger of Eos stuff. I might cut the entire package for 4 BoP, 3 Thoctar. I'm also pondering whether Bloom Tender is worth it over Mind Stone.

Nov 4, 2010 -- 9:11AM, Niche wrote:

Nov 3, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Razorgore wrote:

It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.



It should be about giving black cards to Niche.

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4 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2008 - 9:46AM #587
PhishJam
Date Joined: Nov 5, 2008
Posts: 5
Without magma spray there are zero answers for stillmoon and finks can become annoying. On top of not being able to remove stillmoon, he can block every single one of your creatures. Do you just overwhelm them with creatures?
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4 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2008 - 12:35PM #588
rayje85
Date Joined: Jun 9, 2007
Posts: 805

PhishJam wrote:

Without magma spray there are zero answers for stillmoon and finks can become annoying. On top of not being able to remove stillmoon, he can block every single one of your creatures. Do you just overwhelm them with creatures?


hes got a point: stillmoon is a serious threat in the meta (since fae and kith decks have been seen running it lately) but on the other hand, you shouldnt see that many of them and if you do, you can SB sprays...

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4 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2008 - 12:49PM #589
PhishJam
Date Joined: Nov 5, 2008
Posts: 5

rayje85 wrote:

hes got a point: stillmoon is a serious threat in the meta (since fae and kith decks have been seen running it lately) but on the other hand, you shouldnt see that many of them and if you do, you can SB sprays...


Thats actually what i am planning on doing. Going to put spray in the SB instead of forge tender. This is partly because there is only one person who plays RDW where I play and partly because I don't have any forge tenders lol.

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4 years ago  ::  Nov 22, 2008 - 1:00PM #590
rayje85
Date Joined: Jun 9, 2007
Posts: 805

PhishJam wrote:

Thats actually what i am planning on doing. Going to put spray in the SB instead of forge tender. This is partly because there is only one person who plays RDW where I play and partly because I don't have any forge tenders lol.


lol if you had them, i would have to suggest playing both in SB... yeh, theyre both THAT important...(or so ive found in testing)

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