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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 7:06AM
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Exactly. Thoughtseize and Infest are the reasons to splash black. Blightning could be okay, but there should be no argument about the other two.
Don't forget Bitterblossom and Terror, both of which have been performing really well for me.
I really need a higher amount of tests though...
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 7:23AM
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Date Joined:
Feb 14, 2008
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Infest. Because Clasm and Spout mean nothing to WW.
Seconded.
Cashsieze is really good against this decks weak spots. plus blightning is pretty good vs both toast and kithkin and never is a really dead card. Plus infest rocks kithkin and elf-jank and is pretty good against elves (an allready good matchup)
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 8:50AM
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with a bunch of monsters on the field: heartlash cinder  + soul's fire  =PWN
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 9:41AM
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Don't forget Bitterblossom and Terror, both of which have been performing really well for me.
I really need a higher amount of tests though...
Don't you guys realize that the whole point this deck always performed very well was because it was fast, straight out aggressive and hard to stop?
Terror in a wannabe demigod R(with black..)?
Bitterblossom?
This is not a control deck. Attempts to make this deck more control based will just fail in a truly competitive metagame because you are loosing the speed that was so important, in exchange for a couple of blockers and point removal that can't even do damage.
DemigodR has no problem against faeries and is a 50-50 against elf decks. Infest can go in the SIDEBOARD, and the only card I would ever consider splashing for black in the maindeck would be thoughtseize or blighting (not both). We need to take into consideration the reasons why this deck won. Not just try to combine good black cards with good red cards and create absolutely NO synergy between them.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 9:52AM
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Don't you guys realize that the whole point this deck always performed very well was because it was fast, straight out aggressive and hard to stop?
Terror in a wannabe demigod R(with black..)?
Bitterblossom?
This is not a control deck. Attempts to make this deck more control based will just fail in a truly competitive metagame because you are loosing the speed that was so important, in exchange for a couple of blockers and point removal that can't even do damage.
DemigodR has no problem against faeries and is a 50-50 against elf decks. Infest can go in the SIDEBOARD, and the only card I would ever consider splashing for black in the maindeck would be thoughtseize or blighting (not both). We need to take into consideration the reasons why this deck won. Not just try to combine good black cards with good red cards and create absolutely NO synergy between them.
You realize the splash is entirely in the sideboard right?
There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 10:06AM
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Feb 14, 2008
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demigod allways ran disruption, in creature removal. now we will have to run other disruption, because we lost our best removal card (skred). If we run cashsieze and blightning we are still disrupting them and we still have good, hard to remove creatures and burn. Plus we gain the ability to rape a bad matchup (kithkin) and gain access to one of the best cards in standard (blossum)...
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 10:58AM
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Don't you guys realize that the whole point this deck always performed very well was because it was fast, straight out aggressive and hard to stop?
Terror in a wannabe demigod R(with black..)?
Bitterblossom?
This is not a control deck. Attempts to make this deck more control based will just fail in a truly competitive metagame because you are loosing the speed that was so important, in exchange for a couple of blockers and point removal that can't even do damage.
DemigodR has no problem against faeries and is a 50-50 against elf decks. Infest can go in the SIDEBOARD, and the only card I would ever consider splashing for black in the maindeck would be thoughtseize or blighting (not both). We need to take into consideration the reasons why this deck won. Not just try to combine good black cards with good red cards and create absolutely NO synergy between them.
You've got the effect and use of the cards I mentioned wrong.
Terror  .
Yes it takes care of most if not all elves, but that's not the reason why it's in there. It's to take care of cloudthresher/random generic fatty and burrenton forgetenders. Do you not agree that these two are problematic for this deck?
Just today I had a 10/10 Thunder-Thrash Elder  going my way. I would have lost the game right there had it not been for my terror waiting in my hand. Or well, I could've attacked with one less bitterblossom token....but wait, you don't want me to run bitterblossom either?
Bitterblossom  .
It IS an aggressive card. If not countered, it requires an answer. Either regular sweeps, a bitterblossom of their own or enchantment removal. Either that or the opponent will have an increasingly large army of faeries beating on them. On top of that it actually improves this decks resilience to sweeps. If you're thinking of the tokens as extra blockers, that means you're thinking of it wrongly.
If the general idea of this deck is to play threats that are hard to deal with, bitterblossom fits that philosophy perfectly.
And it's great in the mirror for stopping opposing demigods.
And it can do wonders against faeries and elves...
However, it is not run as an anti-anything, it's run because it's a much more versatile and harder to deal with than, let's say, Stigma Lasher.
As for the last part:
Bitterblossom is part of the philosophy that made this deck win - terror is a way of dealing with things that made it loose. I have no idea why you call this a wannabe RDW Evolved deck....
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 11:02AM
#2108
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Feb 14, 2008
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agreed, however I do not like terror, as it finds less and less targets in the new meta...
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 11:04AM
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Nov 11, 2003
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Terror .
Yes it takes care of most if not all elves, but that's not the reason why it's in there. It's to take care of cloudthresher/random generic fatty and burrenton forgetenders. Do you not agree that these two are problematic for this deck?
Just today I had a 10/10 Thunder-Thrash Elder going my way. I would have lost the game right there had it not been for my terror waiting in my hand. Or well, I could've attacked with one less bitterblossom token....but wait, you don't want me to run bitterblossom either?
It seems better to just blow an Unwilling Recruit  vs fat and Infest  vs Kithkin, eh?
Bitterblossom .
It IS an aggressive card. If not countered, it requires an answer. Either regular sweeps, a bitterblossom of their own or enchantment removal. Either that or the opponent will have an increasingly large army of faeries beating on them. On top of that it actually improves this decks resilience to sweeps. If you're thinking of the tokens as extra blockers, that means you're thinking of it wrongly.
If the general idea of this deck is to play threats that are hard to deal with, bitterblossom fits that philosophy perfectly.
And it's great in the mirror for stopping opposing demigods.
And it can do wonders against faeries and elves...
However, it is not run as an anti-anything, it's run because it's a much more versatile and harder to deal with than, let's say, Stigma Lasher.
I haven't tried this over Stigma Lasher, as I've been weary of the combined Blossom pings and pain land pings adding up and taking me out before I can overwhelm an opponent. How do you feel about that? Has that occurred in any of your matches yet?
I fully support the black splash as I feel it is the optimal build at this time since it has answers that Demigod needs to beat it's problematic matchups that monored builds do not. I don't feel particularly strongly about changing the MD that much to include Terror (I believe you mean it as a SB card but still) since Spray, Incinerate, and Flame Jav form an amazing removal suite. However, Thoughtseize and Infest have more than proved their worth as gold SB cards.
There's a difference between knowing the path and walking the path.
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5 years ago ::
Oct 07, 2008 - 11:16AM
#2110
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It seems better to just blow an Unwilling Recruit vs fat and Infest vs Kithkin, eh?
Well that is correct, however, I'm running terror MD.
Don't know if that answers your "question" ? And before you ask, no I have not experienced them as a dead draw yet. And the reason why I thought I'd run MD terror is because forge-tenders and cloudthreshers are also in the MD.
If they start underperforming they'll go from the list all together I think - because of what you pointed out 
I haven't tried this over Stigma Lasher, as I've been weary of the combined Blossom pings and pain land pings adding up and taking me out before I can overwhelm an opponent. How do you feel about that? Has that occurred in any of your matches yet?
Short answer: No.
Yes it can hurt, and no, I've probably not tested enough...but generally I think the pain is worth it. I'm running 4 reflecting pools and 2 auntie's hovel, so generally the pain is avoidable. I've yet to see it become a real problem though, in a way the faeries will almost always spare you more life than they cost you if you're in the hot spot.
I'm testing running thoughtseize alongside blossom and am a bit worried about it...time will tell how it turns out but atm I'm positive!
I fully support the black splash as I feel it is the optimal build at this time since it has answers that Demigod needs to beat it's problematic matchups that monored builds do not. I don't feel particularly strongly about changing the MD that much to include Terror (I believe you mean it as a SB card but still) since Spray, Incinerate, and Flame Jav form an amazing removal suite. However, Thoughtseize and Infest have more than proved their worth as gold SB cards.
Generally it's also a question of not finding a reason not to splash black imo..
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