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Now that 5CC has near iffy answers to our threats what do we think about temporary threats such as Hell's Thunder? A 3cc 4 damage spell that either eats up a Bant Charm or Condemn or gets in for 4 on a business turn or turns a dead turn into a chance at another solid attack.

Also, while I feel that Magma Spray is better than Shock or Tarfire the latter can hit a control player for two which lends itself to a more burn heavy suite including a couple of Lash Outs for removal and Scry1 which is relevant in builds that dropped a land and went to 23.

If instead of Magma Spray we run Tarfire, we have at least 12 Goblin Cards thus allowing us use of Auntie's Hovel. Between that and filter lands we now have a painless black splash setup that allows us access to Infest and Thoughtseize if we so desire.

I bring all this up because while playing 5cc I've had little to no trouble stabilizing and overwhelming what I refer to as a "Standard" Demigod Red build. However, I had some trouble with a burn heavy build that I believe is similar to the following list:
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The numbers may be off by 1 here or there but I think it's roughly the build he was playing.
It was much more diffacult to stabilize and I was rather uneasy when I did finally start getting there as he had so many more potential outs against me than a normal Demigod Red.

I've been switching off between 5CC and Demigod Red for a bit now and I've been wondering what are your thoughts on these musings?

AngryRedDudes wrote:

Puncture Blast guten.

3cc? Probably not so much.

http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=20211

Check it. I'd post the list but I'm lazy and my posts are long anyway.

That's a list from the SCG tourney this weekend. What do you all think?

Some things I noticed:
-4 MD Firespout. Not only that, but there's no access to green mana . . . Not only that, but it's dead or near-dead in some MUs (you know, like Fae and Kithkin).
-23 lands. I guess that works.
-Hell's Thunder, which I champion, not because I like the card a whole lot but because it's good vs. Toast and Fae.
-Shard Volley (!)
-No MoggFan or Stigma Lasher, which I agree with in this meta. (Note Lashers in the board, though.)

People at my shop call this "Medium Red"; I'm surprised I haven't heard much about it on the threads. It takes adantage of the slower metagame by eschewing cheaper dudes for game-changing dudes and spells. I really like the list because it does look to have a game against QnT.

I don't know why the player didn't splash for green (for Spout) or black (as many of you have--I think for obvious reasons) when such a splash would be easy enough. The deck did well, though, and I think it's an indicator that people are on the right track on this thread. I humbly offer that the latest BR incarnations are better than the mono red deck.