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5 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2008 - 5:48PM
#1101
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Date Joined:
Mar 27, 2003
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I have tried running 4 commands before and it is not a card you want more than one of in your openning hand. Sure it can easily "2-for-1", but for it to be worth it you usually have to pump 2 to 5 mana into it. which means that it would be a 4+ CC spell in your openning hand. For it to do anything at all you need to at least pump one mana into it, making it cost 3. What are you going to do with that one mana, kill an x/1 and/or one point of damage to your opponent and/or return a creature with a CMC of one or less to play from your grave yard and/or give one creature fear? I would say that if you had to play a Profane Command at that cost, you would have to be very desperate or very mana screwed.
In other words you only really want to use Profane Command mid-to-late game when it can create a significant tempo swing. So you wouldn't want more than one clogging up your hand in the beggining of the game because you wouldn't want to use it until you can make it worth while. That's why 4 usually is too much and you would want only 2-3 in the deck so you can draw into them or where one in your openning hand is not a waste.
I routinely spend   to kill a creature and deal 2 damage to my opponent with Command. I wouldn't run less than 3 or 4.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2008 - 7:36PM
#1102
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Date Joined:
Apr 25, 2008
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I routinely spend to kill a creature and deal 2 damage to my opponent with Command. I wouldn't run less than 3 or 4.
4 curve is too busy in MBC with Korlash, Damnation and Tendrils to consider Profane as 4converted routinely.
2-3 is the number. I've been running 2 and winning 32 player tourneys with 2 just fine.
And 1 Damnation... and 3 Beseech... put that in your pipes and smoke it.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2008 - 8:03PM
#1103
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So are there any cards from Eventide that stand out as potential MBC staples in the coming Standard environment sans stuff prior to Lorwyn?
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5 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2008 - 10:23PM
#1104
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Date Joined:
Sep 20, 2007
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So are there any cards from Eventide that stand out as potential MBC staples in the coming Standard environment sans stuff prior to Lorwyn?
Won't see much of anything from Eventide make an appearance until Shards comes and a majority of our staples rotate. I still believe Necroskitter  is going to make a splash.
After rotation, we'll see more builds with Unmake  , Creakwood Liege  , Deity of Scars  , and Ashling, the Extinguisher  .
Some cards that I'm iffy about, but might show up are Stillmoon Cavalier  and Beckon Apparition  in the board against persist/graveyard tricks.
Divinity of Pride  is absolutely awful compared to Demigod or Deity. It's just barely in red's burn range and it's +4/+4 ability will rarely ever make an appearance. There will be the lucky times when you barely get hit, drop her on turn 5, then corrupt for 6 and swing with an 8/8 on turn 6, but chances are if you've gotten to turn six without taking more than one point of damage you would have won that matchup anyway.
I will admit that the art is absolutely badass, though. If there was a drop lower on the curve for us that had lifelink it might be more likely to be playable, but there really isn't anything like that. Short of Loxodoning a blossom token/1 or 2 drop.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2008 - 10:25PM
#1105
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Date Joined:
May 14, 2007
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Nightmare Incursion  could have potential.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2008 - 10:38PM
#1106
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Date Joined:
Sep 20, 2007
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Nightmare Incursion could have potential.
Possibly. I'm still not sold on that card, though. It sits in the same spot as Corrupt but changes the game -much- less. I only like to run one thing in my 6cc slot. Given that, I would go with Corrupt every time.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 13, 2008 - 11:19PM
#1107
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Date Joined:
Sep 20, 2007
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S-Blocked because there's really no way anyone's going to want to run this yet. I tried building a Post-Alara deck with what we have so far, just to see if MBC was still going to be viable. Spoiler:
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24x Swamp
1cc - 4
4x Thoughtseize
2cc - 10
4x Mind Stone
2x Bitterblossom
4x Terror
3cc - 9
4x Unmake
2x Necroskitter
3x Dusk Urchins
4cc - 3
3x Creakwood Liege
5cc - 7
4x Deity of Scars
3xProfane Command
6cc - 3
3x Corrupt
This is a post-Shards deck, or what I predict they're going to look like after the huge rotation that's on it's way.
The great thing about hybrid is that it's still giving us a reason to play Mono-Black...we can use all the best black hybrid cards, from Unmake to Deity. If we were Black/Green we'd miss out on Unmake, and if we were Black/White we'd miss Creakwood and Deity. You can also run Demigod along with Creakwood and Unmake if you wanted to...something that would be absolutely impossible if you were two colours.
The only thing we're missing right now that's going to hurt like hell is Mass Removal. The closest thing we have is Incremental Blight which is, in my opinion, unplayable. It'd be nice if we got something like Mutilate  in Shards...
Oh, also...we really need a colour-manafact. We're losing the only one we have right now, and with 5 coloured mana creatures being our primary finishers we could really benefit from them. That's another wish for Shards.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2008 - 12:03AM
#1108
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Date Joined:
Mar 27, 2008
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Its really pointless trying to build a Post-Alara deck when we haven't even got Eventide yet.
Still, MBC will have a different look about it, but will still be viable.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2008 - 12:45AM
#1109
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Date Joined:
Sep 20, 2007
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Its really pointless trying to build a Post-Alara deck when we haven't even got Eventide yet.
Still, MBC will have a different look about it, but will still be viable.
We have a full card list for Eventide now, I'm pretty sure. 180 cards showing up on Gatherer.
That means the only thing left until the rotation are whatever Alara's going to bring.
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5 years ago ::
Jul 14, 2008 - 1:48AM
#1110
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Date Joined:
Jul 10, 2007
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Profane command giving Ashling fear would be pretty sweet.
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