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Caldera42 wrote:

Why is this thread still open?

I agree, why is it still open?
All mandorrisem has proven is that one person, through consistent flaming, can be the laughing stock of the competitive boards. This deck is average. Below reanimator even after reading and understanding all 46 pages of bullcrap.

So why don't we cut the bullcrap?
Mandy, if you want to live up to the claims of Standard's Strongest, play it at Nationals. After all, if it's that good, I expect to see it in first.

TTFN. See you in Chicago.

No, I'm actually serious on +4 Squire. At least it will be moar consistent than the rest of your deck, and you can copy it with Shapeshifter to generate damage advantage. Then put in some Bog Hoodlums and you're set.

Momo wrote:

The thread is still open because it's about a perfectly legitimate deck posted by someone whose constructed rating ensures his credibility.

The fact that this deck works somehow decently even if it violates all the standards of competitive deckbuilding is certainly interesting, as is Benjaroy's view on certain cards, although I utterly disagree with the 99% of what he's saying.

I think that one of the commonest mistakes among posters is not comprehending that this is not a popularity contest, but a forum about competitive Magic. Yes, Benjaroy's attitude is pleasant as is swallowing a rabid cat; yes, he exhaggerates his deck's strenght and yes, most of his points are moot. Nothing of this warrants a sanction against him or devoids this thread of legitimacy.

I don't think it's very fair or democratic to ask someone to be sanctioned because you can't convince him.

These are valid points.


But you're missing the fact that this is the flamiest thread since Omone. Seriously, everyone (and I mean everyone) is insulting everyone else. Here's a typical conversation

SomeDud101: Lol n00b u suck, go die in a fire
Benjaroy: U N00b! Ur mother sucks Chimney Imps!
OtherDude310: Lulz ur face is wurs than ur deck lololololol
Benjaroy: I made love to your sister!

Hence why it should be closed.

Is there some sort of unknown reason Comrade hasn't been banninated yet? Responding to a mod deleting your posts by well....reposting the same thing typically warrants such a a thing...anyway moving on.......

Cyrus-- actually looking at cards in the best possible light is not the case at all, its more of looking at them in the most probable light. Most people don't agree because they have less experience with the individual cards and thus cannot see just how effective they actually are. This tends to cause people to view these cards as situational, when in fact with testing they would find them to be universal.

Scorpious--Both are situational at best, and weak in general. Bender can occasionally be a nasty suprise, but once its face up its not going to be doing much even with a shifter available to copy it. The main problem with him is that he can only hit spells with single targets, basically relegating him to the RDW matchup at best. Parasite is just slow and unneeded given the level of removal the build already contains. Seer would go in before either of them, even without proper island support, since it is nearly impossible to lose once the Seer/Shifter engine comes online.

Scorpious wrote:

Hey Mando, all else aside, have you considered using Willbender or Shaper Parasite for a little more control? I have seen the benders used to great effect by essentially using your opponents spells against themselves and the parasite seems like reusable removal/pump. I think both cards can be abused with the shapeshifter with the right level of experience.

I've tried Parasite in T2 and it's too slow there. It was a sideboard card in Block but that's because WW was running all over the place and they weren't able to kill it once you morphed it except for with Sunlance. In T2, even white has solid removal .