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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 5:51PM
#411
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Date Joined:
Oct 16, 2007
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The only possible problem is being new to the game and not knowing a lot of card text. Otherwise, you just need to know how to read.
"Let's punish new players on MWS?"
A new player wouldn't know to write down card names like that anyway.
 Team GFG - Glux's Fine Gents
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 5:53PM
#412
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Date Joined:
Mar 18, 2008
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Yes. Let's punish them. Free wins.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 9:42PM
#413
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Yes. Let's punish them. Free wins.
sadly, winning on mws means literally nothing. its better to test for reals (when your opponent would either memorize your hand or write it down). there really is no reason to be a d-bag and either force your opponent to write down your hand (taking extra time), or force them to continue looking way up the chat thingie (also taking up extra time)
Josh "war" Monks.
Team Jace, Seattle
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 10:30PM
#414
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Date Joined:
Mar 25, 2008
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sadly, winning on mws means literally nothing. its better to test for reals (when your opponent would either memorize your hand or write it down). there really is no reason to be a d-bag and either force your opponent to write down your hand (taking extra time), or force them to continue looking way up the chat thingie (also taking up extra time)
It is a shame they can't copy and paste it into a notepad document...
oh wait
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 10:32PM
#415
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I'm not a vintage player (I have a proxy'd up control slaver that i play with one of my friends sometimes) but is impulse better then brainstorm? I would generally run brainstorm over impulse any day.
They restricted Brainstorm and Ponder a while back, so you have to run alternate draw engines.
But yes, obviously, 4 Brainstorm would be better if it were unrestricted.
Also, that guy "Fowler" is a classic Vintage noob and general a-hole on MWS. Don't even bother playing him. He sucks and then makes ridiculous demands mid-game or quits for arbitrary reasons and then calls you names.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 17, 2009 - 11:10PM
#416
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please tell me if I was wrong....if I am not then magic has a bigger issue with new players than damage on the stack
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0:08:02 [SuperTux] SuperTux draws a card
0:08:02 [SuperTux] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:08:04 [SuperTux] SuperTux plays Mountain from Hand
0:08:05 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Mountain
0:08:06 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Island
0:08:06 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Island
0:08:08 [SuperTux] Pemmin's Aura is enchanting Vulshok Sorcerer now
0:08:08 [SuperTux] SuperTux puts Pemmin's Aura into play from Hand
0:08:10 [SuperTux] Ok?
0:08:14 [Beanman1000] in response
0:08:16 [Beanman1000] Beanman1000 taps Vivid Marsh
0:08:21 [SuperTux] in response
0:08:23 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Vulshok Sorcerer
0:08:27 [Beanman1000] ok
0:08:33 [Beanman1000] in response
0:08:34 [Beanman1000] Beanman1000 taps Vivid Meadow
0:08:36 [Beanman1000] Vivid Meadow now has 1 (-1) counters.
0:08:39 [SuperTux] in response
0:08:41 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Razorfin Hunter
0:08:48 [Beanman1000] ?
0:08:58 [SuperTux] kill plagued again
0:09:05 [Beanman1000] he is already gone
0:09:09 [SuperTux] no
0:09:11 [Beanman1000] since the cost is himself
0:09:17 [SuperTux] that is why u can use again in response
0:09:31 [Beanman1000] but...he is already dead
0:09:36 [SuperTux] Ok
0:09:38 [SuperTux] SuperTux puts Razorfin Hunter to Graveyard from Play
0:09:43 [Beanman1000] Beanman1000 destroys token spirit
0:09:43 [Beanman1000] Beanman1000 puts Plagued Rusalka to Graveyard from Play
0:09:45 [SuperTux] End my turn
0:09:50 [Beanman1000] your other guy too
0:09:54 [SuperTux] no
0:10:02 [Beanman1000] the ability was on the stack >.>
0:10:04 [SuperTux] check stack
0:10:11 [SuperTux] but plagued is dead
0:10:22 [Beanman1000] right but the ability was already activated
0:10:24 [SuperTux] second activation does not resolve
0:10:47 [Beanman1000] thats like saying in response to you tapping to deal 1 I kill him and the 1 doesn't go through
0:10:55 [Beanman1000] it still goes through
0:11:02 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Island
0:11:05 [SuperTux] shroud
0:11:07 [SuperTux] happy now?
0:11:13 [Beanman1000] it was in response to that
0:11:20 [Beanman1000] that was still on the stack
0:11:43 [SuperTux] sure
0:11:44 [Beanman1000] it was the last thing to resolve
0:11:51 [SuperTux] so shroud resolves first
0:12:05 [SuperTux] so -1 is targetting a shrouded vullshock
0:12:08 [SuperTux] so, invalid target
0:12:13 [Beanman1000] I killed your guy in response to you playing pemmins aura
0:12:31 [Beanman1000] then you tried to kill my guy
0:12:37 [Beanman1000] then I killed your other guy
0:12:41 [SuperTux] ok. see gg
0:12:47 [] Player Lost
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4 years ago ::
Jun 21, 2009 - 5:13PM
#417
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Date Joined:
Sep 24, 2008
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Fourth time I play EDH but I know the rules better lol
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End my turn
It is now turn 23 (StringTheory)
It is now the Beginning Phase, Untap Step
StringTheory untaps his/her permanents
It is now the Beginning Phase, Upkeep Step
It is now the Beginning Phase, Draw Step
StringTheory draws a card
It is now the Precombat Main Phase
StringTheory taps Thran Dynamo
StringTheory taps Dimir Signet
StringTheory taps Vault of Whispers
StringTheory plays Mind's Eye from Hand
Ok?
Ok
StringTheory plays Minamo, School at Water's Edge from Hand
StringTheory taps Tolarian Academy
StringTheory taps Minamo, School at Water's Edge
StringTheory untaps Tolarian Academy
StringTheory taps River of Tears
StringTheory taps Arcane Sanctum
StringTheory taps Tolarian Academy
*here he plays his general*
Ok?
Child Of Bodom taps Island
Child Of Bodom taps Island
Child Of Bodom taps Island
Child Of Bodom plays Hinder from Hand
bottom
it's a general
goes to bottom
Sharuum the Hegemon now has 1 (+1) counters.
no
it's a general
thats why its so good
read the ****en rules
yeah, no
lol
StringTheory taps Deserted Temple
StringTheory untaps Minamo, School at Water's Edge
StringTheory taps Minamo, School at Water's Edge
StringTheory untaps Tolarian Academy
StringTheory's life total is now 26 (-1)
End my turn
goes on bottom
no
ok I'm going for the rules
whatever, I've played enough on mtgo
don't need kids
Player Lost
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4 years ago ::
Jun 23, 2009 - 3:45AM
#418
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Date Joined:
Mar 27, 2003
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Are you sure you were right there? I didn't think the General could EVER go into somewhere other than RFG or play.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 23, 2009 - 3:49AM
#419
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Date Joined:
Mar 27, 2003
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please tell me if I was wrong....if I am not then magic has a bigger issue with new players than damage on the stack
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0:08:02 [SuperTux] SuperTux draws a card
0:08:02 [SuperTux] It is now the Precombat Main Phase
0:08:04 [SuperTux] SuperTux plays Mountain from Hand
0:08:05 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Mountain
0:08:06 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Island
0:08:06 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Island
0:08:08 [SuperTux] Pemmin's Aura is enchanting Vulshok Sorcerer now
0:08:08 [SuperTux] SuperTux puts Pemmin's Aura into play from Hand
0:08:10 [SuperTux] Ok?
0:08:14 [Beanman1000] in response
0:08:16 [Beanman1000] Beanman1000 taps Vivid Marsh
0:08:21 [SuperTux] in response
0:08:23 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Vulshok Sorcerer
0:08:27 [Beanman1000] ok
0:08:33 [Beanman1000] in response
0:08:34 [Beanman1000] Beanman1000 taps Vivid Meadow
0:08:36 [Beanman1000] Vivid Meadow now has 1 (-1) counters.
0:08:39 [SuperTux] in response
0:08:41 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Razorfin Hunter
0:08:48 [Beanman1000] ?
0:08:58 [SuperTux] kill plagued again
0:09:05 [Beanman1000] he is already gone
0:09:09 [SuperTux] no
0:09:11 [Beanman1000] since the cost is himself
0:09:17 [SuperTux] that is why u can use again in response
0:09:31 [Beanman1000] but...he is already dead
0:09:36 [SuperTux] Ok
0:09:38 [SuperTux] SuperTux puts Razorfin Hunter to Graveyard from Play
0:09:43 [Beanman1000] Beanman1000 destroys token spirit
0:09:43 [Beanman1000] Beanman1000 puts Plagued Rusalka to Graveyard from Play
0:09:45 [SuperTux] End my turn
0:09:50 [Beanman1000] your other guy too
0:09:54 [SuperTux] no
0:10:02 [Beanman1000] the ability was on the stack >.>
0:10:04 [SuperTux] check stack
0:10:11 [SuperTux] but plagued is dead
0:10:22 [Beanman1000] right but the ability was already activated
0:10:24 [SuperTux] second activation does not resolve
0:10:47 [Beanman1000] thats like saying in response to you tapping to deal 1 I kill him and the 1 doesn't go through
0:10:55 [Beanman1000] it still goes through
0:11:02 [SuperTux] SuperTux taps Island
0:11:05 [SuperTux] shroud
0:11:07 [SuperTux] happy now?
0:11:13 [Beanman1000] it was in response to that
0:11:20 [Beanman1000] that was still on the stack
0:11:43 [SuperTux] sure
0:11:44 [Beanman1000] it was the last thing to resolve
0:11:51 [SuperTux] so shroud resolves first
0:12:05 [SuperTux] so -1 is targetting a shrouded vullshock
0:12:08 [SuperTux] so, invalid target
0:12:13 [Beanman1000] I killed your guy in response to you playing pemmins aura
0:12:31 [Beanman1000] then you tried to kill my guy
0:12:37 [Beanman1000] then I killed your other guy
0:12:41 [SuperTux] ok. see gg
0:12:47 [] Player Lost
You shouldn't be talking about 'dying' and 'killing', because then you're not really being clear. The salient point here is that sacrificing Plagued Rusalka was a cost, which means it happens before any responses. Once that cost is paid, you can't play Rusalka's ability anymore because it is no longer in play, and it can't be targeted for the same reason.
EDIT: Also, your log doesn't really reveal what's being targeted and going on, and he's making so many mistakes it's really unclear. It also looks like he was responding to the activated ability with a ping effect, thinking that it would counter the -1/-1 effect of Rusalka, (which it wouldn't). Then it looks like he's trying to play an activated ability of Pemmin's Aura while the enchantment is still on the stack.
It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.
It should be about giving black cards to Niche.
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4 years ago ::
Jun 23, 2009 - 1:46PM
#420
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Date Joined:
Sep 24, 2008
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Are you sure you were right there? I didn't think the General could EVER go into somewhere other than RFG or play.
Yes. I especially read that before starting playing EDH because I was thinking ''condemn is nuts''. I went to the EDH format official thread and someone had asked the question and the answer was: ''Yes, thats why hinder and condemn are very good in this format''.
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