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Grim Poppet is in play with no -1/-1 counters on it under my opponents control. I have a Witherscale Wurm in play with eight -1/-1 counters on it.
I then play Fate Transfer , choosing to move the eight counters off of Witherscale Wurm and onto Grim Poppet .
My opponent then tried to move the counters off of the Grim Poppet , but I argued, since my opponent let Fate Transfer resolve, the counters were placed onto Grim Poppet , and Grim Poppet will be sent to the graveyard after state based effects are checked from the spell resolving, before either player received priority again. He gave me a blank look and called judge (at prerelease.)
After explaining, the judge ruled I was right, but every single person I've talked to since said I wasn't. Help?


Also, when playing Demigod of Revenge , any copies in the graveyard are placed into play after playing the spell? That ability doesn't require it to come into play first, just for it to be successfully played right (say if it were countered)?

KomtheSquirrelKing wrote:

Grim Poppet is in play with no -1/-1 counters on it under my opponents control. I have a Witherscale Wurm in play with eight -1/-1 counters on it.
I then play Fate Transfer , choosing to move the eight counters off of Witherscale Wurm and onto Grim Poppet .
My opponent then tried to move the counters off of the Grim Poppet , but I argued, since my opponent let Fate Transfer resolve, the counters were placed onto Grim Poppet , and Grim Poppet will be sent to the graveyard after state based effects are checked from the spell resolving, before either player received priority again. He gave me a blank look and called judge (at prerelease.)
After explaining, the judge ruled I was right, but every single person I've talked to since said I wasn't. Help?

You were correct. State-based effects are checked just before a player would gain priority, and will see a creature with a toughness of 0 or less that needs to go to the graveyard and put it there. By the time your opponent (or you for that matter) can get priority to play anything, the Poppet is gone. There is never a time when the Poppet has the counters, and is in play, while any player has priority.

Also, when playing Demigod of Revenge , any copies in the graveyard are placed into play after playing the spell? That ability doesn't require it to come into play first, just for it to be successfully played right (say if it were countered)?

Yes, which is very unusual; "comes into play" triggers are far more common.

From shadowmoor faqs
Demigod of Revenge
{B/R}{B/R}{B/R}{B/R}{B/R}
Creature -- Spirit Avatar
5/4
Flying, haste
When you play Demigod of Revenge, return all cards named Demigod of Revenge from your graveyard to play.

* This ability triggers when you play Demigod of Revenge as a spell. It won't trigger if Demigod of Revenge is put directly into play.

* The triggered ability goes on the stack on top of the Demigod of Revenge spell. By the time the Demigod of Revenge spell resolves, all the Demigods that were in your graveyard will be in play already.

* If Demigod of Revenge is countered *before* its triggered ability resolves, the ability will still resolve. In fact, it will return that Demigod of Revenge from your graveyard to play, as well as any others.
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They can't let its triggered ability resolve. As soon as all the steps of playing the spell are complete, it goes on the stack and its ability triggers. However, you're in the middle of playing a spell (the Demigod itself) and so the ability can't resolve until the Demigod spell does, so if they wait for that to happen, it's too late to counter it!

well thats absolutely amazing. So many people are going to misplay that though, I won't be suprised to see more threads asking about that trigger in particular


last question for now,

Fendeep Summoner is in play under an opponents control. the opponent uses its tap ability, makes two swamps 3/5 treefolk, then declares attacks with them. In response, before blocks are declared, I play Pollen Lullaby and win the clash. so do the lands untap next turn, or do they stay tapped?