|
5 years ago ::
Apr 22, 2008 - 2:00PM
#31
|
Date Joined:
Mar 22, 2001
|
To those of you bashing on ahlyis, his point is not that the rules have no effect before the start of the game, his point is that static abilities have no effect before the start of the game.
And the point of those "bashing on" him (I don't like that phrase, but it is what you used) is that the four-card rule doesn't, either. For it to apply, by definition there has to be a game it is part of. The static ability of Relentless Rats can, and does, apply at that time.
In any Sanctioned event, ....
Please make up your mind - are you talking about the rules of a DCI sanctioned event, or the rules of Magic? They are not the same thing. Relentless Rats does not work under the DCI rules for a sanctioned event, if that is the only one that applies. It does work under the rules of Magic.
And an ability that can only function in a specific zone is considered to be implying it functions in that zone. For example, Wonder  does not explicitly "state which zones it functions in." It states what it does, and it can only do that from the graveyard. This is taken to mean it satisfies 402.8b. It is no different with Relentless Rats.
|
|
|
|
5 years ago ::
Apr 22, 2008 - 2:04PM
#32
|
Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2003
|
It states what it does, and it can only do that from the graveyard. This is taken to mean it satisfies 402.8b. It is no different with Relentless Rats.
Wonder references the graveyard, thus it works from the graveyard. What zone does Relentless Rats  reference? I see no way that 402.8b would apply to it.
402.8b An ability that states which zones it functions in functions only from those zones.
|
|
|
|
5 years ago ::
Apr 22, 2008 - 2:21PM
#33
|
Date Joined:
Mar 22, 2001
|
Wonder references the graveyard...
... without "stating it works" from that specific zone. So no, the rule does not apply, if taken as literally as you are applying it to Relentless Rats. Something like Flashback (rule 502.22a says "functions while the card is in a player's graveyard") does.
But I'm trying really hard to not argue at this pedantic level. I'm only doing it in response.
|
|
|
|
5 years ago ::
Apr 22, 2008 - 2:22PM
#34
|
Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2003
|
You didn't answer my question. What zone are you claiming Relentless Rats works from? "A Deck" is not a zone. Zones
Show
217.1. A zone is a place where objects can be during a game. There are normally six zones: library, hand, graveyard, in play, stack, and removed from the game. Some older cards also use the ante and phased-out zones. Each player has his or her own library, hand, and graveyard. The other zones are shared by all players. This is directly pertinent to your post #31:
And an ability that can only function in a specific zone is considered to be implying it functions in that zone. For example, Wonder does not explicitly "state which zones it functions in." It states what it does, and it can only do that from the graveyard. This is taken to mean it satisfies 402.8b. It is no different with Relentless Rats.
|
|
|
|
5 years ago ::
Apr 22, 2008 - 2:38PM
#35
|
|
|
Please make up your mind - are you talking about the rules of a DCI sanctioned event, or the rules of Magic?
I'm not "talking" about either. I'm talking about the card Relentless Rats and how it has Rules Issues.
It certainly doesn't work with the DCI floor rules. And as things currently stand, I don't believe it works with the Comp Rules either. It looks like it may be easier to bend things so it works with/within the Comp Rules. But currently, I don't believe it technically works with either set of Rules.
I'm just a Pigment of your imagination.
|
|
|
|
5 years ago ::
Apr 22, 2008 - 2:41PM
#36
|
Date Joined:
Jan 19, 2003
|
But I'm trying really hard to not argue at this pedantic level. I'm only doing it in response.
Nice edit, though that is the second time you have resorted to calling this topic "pedantic", rather then attempting to either solidify your position or notice that your interpretation don't seem to fit with the rules. (Though clearly, the rules should be made such that Relentless Rats works. After all, who wants a card with a useless ability  ? :P)
Really, you are being just a little pedantic here. You don't like how it fits in the process. I can understand that. But you are making many unfounded claims trying to back it up.
|
|
|
