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Raedien wrote:

While some counter backup is obviously a good idea, getting that second turn should avoid things like Sor cery Removal .

Granted, that means you're aiming for the Prowl cost.

Regardless, I was just throwing it out there, I can definitely see your point.

I don't run Throng right now but I also don't run Venser and still see the value in that. (I also play far more Block than Standard, so...)

One match where I think Throng could prove beneficial is against UG Faeries. Even getting 4 damage through and then playing this without Prowl gives you another 4 attackers if it resolves and puts them on the defensive (which I find is the key against them).

UG Faeries is one match where I almost always side in Profane Command too.

if all your attackers have been cleared and you're on top deck mode, the chances of drawing into a rogue (prowler/pestermite) are very slim. throng is better of in a rogue deck. i've tested it both in faeries and in rogues and that's my conclusion.

I know it's not something that's a definate, or even a maybe, but I was figuring that most decks that run black have some kind of Wrath Effect in Damnation. It's one of the biggest banes of this deck (assuming your out of counterspells). It's happened to me many times, where I'll take the guy to 1 life, or something else small, and he resolves a damnation and I can't do jack about it. In cases like that, when you're out of counters, you could, theoretically kill them before their wrath will happen. I just think that being able to swing, then double the damage dealt for swing number two is pretty good. I know it's not going to be accepted by the masses, but since it comes in the UB Rogue premade, it's worth a shot splashing it in there, testing it, and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. But I think we're passing a BOMB if we dismiss it this early without testing it.

ix_deadend: I understand you tested with it in the deck... what makes it unplayable? Was it a case where you didn't need it to win, and you won before you could drop it? did you not face the damnation you couldn't counter? I'm just curious, not being a jerk. I just wanna know how it worked in your testing.

how do you guys play against blink?
i'm having problems playing against them...
they play riftwing then blink , i try to psi or counter then they blinks again... i don't know...

Yawgmoth's Will wrote:

I guess its mainly playing smart. Waiting until they blink their Riftwing, and when it's CIP triggers, play Scion, negating their target. I've seen versions with Shriekmaw in it, and the same rule applies. I guess the best option is to utilize your flash Fae and counterspells. Remember, they might have 4 Blinks (8 after Flashback), but they can't blink something that's not there. If you counter their guys (even their elementals when they evoke them), they can't utilize their Blinks. I guess the short answer is that by playing against the deck more and more, you'll find out how to play against it right. This deck has all the answers you need, plus the flying rush to finish the job. Playtesting and playing against the Blink deck is the only way to beat it. For every loss, learn something from it.

-Yawg

PS - I played Pickles and Sonic Boom for a while. Even decks like UB Teachings I've played with and agianst. They all said that Fae are one of their hardest matchups... and from reading other posts from other deck arctypes, they've all said their hardest matchups are usually Fae. This deck is great, and the more you face other ppl, the more you learn from it.

first. youre thing on blink is wrong. yeah, the scion does negate the target, but a smart blink player 9 out of ten hits youre lands. this deck needs the mana for counter backup, and if they are cloudskate/venser/blink/occasional snipeing youre lands youre not going to win. not to mention conclaves citp.

extirpating blink game 2 and playing smart is youre best bet.

the thing about control matchups is very true. infact, the one drop version is even worse for them :D