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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 7:51AM
#41
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Plus, remember with Reanimate, they're not going to rely on YOUR oona's prowler to discard... they have their own methods of discarding and will use them. If you notice you're playing against a Reanimator deck, just hold back from playing them right away. once their low on cards, there's no reason not to play it, because they'll have discard outlets already... This fact makes Vendilion Clique even better right now. If you play the Clique, see an Akroma or whatnot in their hand, you make them put it on the bottom of their deck, not to their graveyard. You've now just shot down their discard target. So, most games will go Turn 1 Fae, Turn 2 counter (Rune Snag, Familiar's Ruse, Spellstutter Sprite), turn 3 Clique, Turn 4 Anything you've got that you need, plus, you've just looked at their hand. Not only that, if you decide to run Thoughtsieze in the main, or in game 2 after boarding, you've already seen their hand and know when the best time to Seize something from their hand.
-Yawg
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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 8:19AM
#42
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still the arguments about oona's prowler..it's a good and staple card in any UB faerie deck. get used to it. petty decks that "make use of prowler's ability" don't matter. if they need your prowlers just to get threats in the GY then there's something wrong with their own deck. in any case, none of those decks can compete competitively with faeries.
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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 11:55AM
#43
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I agree, but right now I'm trying to fit in the Vendilion Cliques  in to my own deck. I wanna put in 2 or 3 (haven't decided yet). My big question is: What should I take out for it? I, personally, run the 1 Drop version, so keeping those in there are important... other than that, the only other logical choice would be to look to the Prowlers. They're really the only Fae that I have to play on my own turn, and they DO (even though the interaction is small) interact with other decks. I've seen a lot of decks that run Dodecapod  s in the side against the discard. How hard would it be for those types of players to side in their 'Pods against us and use our own Prowlers as a way to get them into play? Not that tough. 2 5/5's for free is annoying, especially since they can't be countered. I actually played against a guy 2 weeks ago that beat me with my own Prowler. I was at 10 life, he Sudden Shock  ed me at the end of my turn, then, he played an elemental that I couldn't let resolve, so I used the last spell in hand to counter it. Then he pitched 2 Guerrilla Tactics  for 8 damage. I was a little upset. True, this situation will pretty much NEVER happen again, but still.. I'm not saying that Prowlers are bad. They're not. I'm just saying that in the grand scope of things, they're the slowest Fae we got with obvious drawbacks. If people are looking for a Fae to drop, or looking to fit more counters/Cliques in their deck, I think that these guys are your outlet. -Yawg
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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 12:21PM
#44
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I agree, but right now I'm trying to fit in the Vendilion Cliques in to my own deck. I wanna put in 2 or 3 (haven't decided yet). My big question is: What should I take out for it? I, personally, run the 1 Drop version, so keeping those in there are important... other than that, the only other logical choice would be to look to the Prowlers. They're really the only Fae that I have to play on my own turn, and they DO (even though the interaction is small) interact with other decks. I've seen a lot of decks that run Dodecapod s in the side against the discard. How hard would it be for those types of players to side in their 'Pods against us and use our own Prowlers as a way to get them into play? Not that tough. 2 5/5's for free is annoying, especially since they can't be countered. I actually played against a guy 2 weeks ago that beat me with my own Prowler. I was at 10 life, he Sudden Shock ed me at the end of my turn, then, he played an elemental that I couldn't let resolve, so I used the last spell in hand to counter it. Then he pitched 2 Guerrilla Tactics for 8 damage. I was a little upset. True, this situation will pretty much NEVER happen again, but still..
I'm not saying that Prowlers are bad. They're not. I'm just saying that in the grand scope of things, they're the slowest Fae we got with obvious drawbacks. If people are looking for a Fae to drop, or looking to fit more counters/Cliques in their deck, I think that these guys are your outlet.
-Yawg
I gotta say that I agree. As one of the first people to work on Eclipse (which much to my chagrin is more widely known as Mono-Black-Discard-Fatties and currently lives as Tarmorack) I laughed when I saw Oona's Prowler strictly because it enables so much of the deck.
With so many great cards in the deck, I'm looking at Vendilion, Prowler, and Pestermite as the variable cards. The metagame is well aware of the Prowler and the decks are responding. Vendilion is nice but a bit slow, I don't consider it a good replacement for something like the Prowler but it is still nice P/T + Card Filtering. Not everyone runs 4 Pestermite but if you have to side the Prowlers it's a good option to bump them up as they are annoying to the opponent and have 2 power.
But you know what's even cooler?
Who says we can't use the discard to our own advantage?
Vendilion + Your Own "Madness"  = Card Advantage
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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 12:40PM
#45
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Vendilion is great. Same pt as Prowler for 1 more mana, has flash, can't be shrunk and can't be abused by your opponents by discarding stuff, AND has a great ability thrown onto it. The only prob is that it's legendary... Oh well... What do you mean by Vendilion Clique  + Dodecapod ? Do you mean that you take it out of your opponent's hand? or do you mean hit your own? cuz if that's the case, it won't work. You're not discarding it, just putting it on the bottom of your opponent's library (or your own). -Yawg
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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 12:53PM
#46
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so, fun times, I just realized why vendillion clique is good/Why I thought it was bad: I thought it cost Four mana.
it's a fantastic card.
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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 1:03PM
#47
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Um, Yawg.. Dodecapod doesn't trigger off them discarding it to Prowler. They control the ability (since they're activating it, not you). They don't get a 5/5 Dodecapod from it. They take 1 and Dodecapod sits in their GY. Removing prowler is making your deck worse -- it's that good. Yeah, I've faced RB Madness before and in THAT matchup, I remove them. Otherwise, they never come out. Not even one. Vendilion Clique can be added in place of Wydwen if you run them, or remove a Psi-Blast and a one drop, etc. There's plenty of ways to fit him in without making the deck worse. Raedien: That doesn't work. Vendilion Clique isn't discard, and even if it was, you control it so it still wouldn't trigger.
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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 1:07PM
#48
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What do you mean by Vendilion Clique + Dodecapod ? Do you mean that you take it out of your opponent's hand? or do you mean hit your own? cuz if that's the case, it won't work. You're not discarding it, just putting it on the bottom of your opponent's library (or your own).
-Yawg
Raedien: That doesn't work. Vendilion Clique isn't discard, and even if it was, you control it so it still wouldn't trigger.
I always, ALWAYS forget that.
CURSES!
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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 3:44PM
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Vendilion is great. Same pt as Prowler for 1 more mana, has flash, can't be shrunk and can't be abused by your opponents by discarding stuff, AND has a great ability thrown onto it. The only prob is that it's legendary... Oh well...
What do you mean by Vendilion Clique + Dodecapod ? Do you mean that you take it out of your opponent's hand? or do you mean hit your own? cuz if that's the case, it won't work. You're not discarding it, just putting it on the bottom of your opponent's library (or your own).
-Yawg
as irebel already said, dodecapod doesn't trigger of prowler. as for prowler being the only slow creature in the deck, why does that matter? its usefulness is much much greater than any 1 drop you could put in. if your logic warrants a replacement of the prowler, then that same logic would make the 1 drops a better choice for replacement.
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5 years ago ::
Jan 30, 2008 - 4:27PM
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Seeing as the thread has moved (and it did need to) I think it's time I posted what I've got cooking for post-Morningtide: 4x Faerie Conclave  4x Secluded Glen  4x Underground River  2x River of Tears  2x Mutavault  2x Swamp  6x Island  4x Oona's Prowler  4x Spellstutter Sprite  4x Pestermite  4x Scion of Oona  2x Vendilion Clique 2x Mistbind Clique  2x Venser, Shaper Savant  4x Thoughtseize  4x Rune Snag  4x Cryptic Command  2x Psionic Blast  On the choices: 2x Mistbind Clique & 2x Psionic Blast : These are where I cut the two cards for Vendilion Clique . The way I have found my games play out is that I typically have 3-4 Faeries out by turn 4. At this point I don't want to try and overextend by pushing the Clique into play with the potential for my plan to go seriously wrong. The deck seems to perform much better sitting back on counters from that turn and Venser/Command and such are much more likely plays for me. Also I found that Mistbind just clogs up the hand an awful lot at times so by decreasing it by one it means I can draw it at the right time. I'm sure I'll play the others in the side board if I need them. Psionic Blast was cut because I was taking an awful lot of damage from Thoughtseize and such and I didn't relish having it all the time. 2x Mutavault : Seems like it should be decent and they replace Desert  which I haven't deemed necessary in a while. Other than that I'm questioning how much I need Thoughtseize. It has been helpful for sure in my metagame (I don't think I've sided them out in tournaments) but do you guys think having Thoughtseize and Psionic Blast too much pain? I could probably see myself cutting at least one Thoughtseize for another Psionic Blast just to keep it level. What do you think?
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