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5 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2008 - 5:20PM #1161
BassmanARW
Date Joined: Aug 9, 2006
Posts: 1,958

DoranRoxMySox wrote:

here's my list enjoy :]

Lands:
Brushland x 4
Caves of Koilos x 4
Murmuring Bosk x 4
Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth x 1
Plains x 3
Forest x 3
Swamp x 3

Creatures:
Treefolk Harbinger x 4
Shriekmaw x 3
Timber Protector x 2
Birds of Paradise x 4
Ohran Viper x 4
Doran, The Siege Tower x 4

Other Jank:
Liliana Vess x 2
Thoughtseize x 4
Stupor x 3
Wrath of God x 4
Oblivion Ring x 4
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Replace:
4x Brushland with 4x Horizon Canopy
4x Treefolk Harbinger with 2x Llanowar Elves and 2x Nameless Inversion
3x Shriekmaw with 2x Nameless Inversion and 1x Primal Command . Or at least cut it down to 2.
2x Timber Protector - why are you even running this? lol. Clearly for the Indestructable Harbingers haha. Replace them with 2x Profane Command
4x Wrath of God - this is a deck that splashes white so double white casting cost is out of the question. If you want a Wrath for this deck then use Damnation . Secondly, why would you want that anyway? If you have Damnation then put that in the SB, but regardless no WoGs in this deck. Instead add another 1x Profane Command , 1x Primal Command , and 2x Garruk Wildspeaker
2x Liliana Vess - too espensive for the theoretical benefits - replace with another 1x Garruk Wildspeaker and 1x Chameleon Colossus

And finally, I am assuming that you don't have any Tarmogoyf s, but if you do then put them in place of the 3x Stupor and 1x Ohran Viper . If you don't have them then replace 2x Ohran Viper for another 2x Chameleon Colossus . I am fairly set on the fact that you should have 3x Chameleon Colossus somewhere in your deck, whether it be MD or in your SB.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2008 - 5:53PM #1162
Velict
Date Joined: Feb 18, 2008
Posts: 1,081
I wouldn't play this deck without Tarmogoyfs under any circumstances. Sorry, but it's the truth.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 17, 2008 - 7:29PM #1163
Zhou_Yu
Date Joined: Mar 27, 2008
Posts: 419

Velict]I wouldn't play this deck without Tarmogoyfs under any circumstances. Sorry, but it's the truth.


Agree, also, Garruk is also needed here(but to a lesser extent.

I also pretty much agree with BassmanARW on most things, but I think Ohran Viper should be here as a 3-of also. Oblivion Ring is what needs to go. I know that you play more white for Wrath(should be Damnation though), but Oblivion Ring should only be either SB, or MD as a 2-of IF you have room(which you shouldn't). Stupor is also a SB card wrote:

I wouldn't play this deck without Tarmogoyfs under any circumstances. Sorry, but it's the truth.[/quote]
Agree, also, Garruk is also needed here(but to a lesser extent.

I also pretty much agree with BassmanARW on most things, but I think Ohran Viper should be here as a 3-of also. Oblivion Ring is what needs to go. I know that you play more white for Wrath(should be Damnation though), but Oblivion Ring should only be either SB, or MD as a 2-of IF you have room(which you shouldn't). Stupor is also a SB card, IMHO.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 19, 2008 - 9:38AM #1164
Dakken21
  • The One
Date Joined: Sep 5, 2004
Posts: 491
Alright so I did pretty good with that list I posted a little while ago, I made a couple changes which probably helped:

-3 Chameleon Collossus (couldn't find any for FNM)
-1 Llanowar Elves (Already got the birds, so 6 manadudes seems good enough)
-1 Oblivion Ring (Moved it to the sideboard)

+2 Mystic Enforcer (Next best thing to collossus, the flying really helped against faeries too)
+1 Primal Command (This card won me so many games, especially on turn 4 after a turn 3 Mwonvuli Acid Moss.
+2 Ohran Viper (I dunno, the only two times I got this card to stay down it drew me into game-winning cards that I otherwise would not have had the chance to see...I like it in here still, if only as a two-of)

Oh and I got to borrow 3 of my buddies Murmuring Bosks so I took out a Gemstone Mine, a Gilt-Leaf Palace, and a Caves of Koilos for those.

Anyways, onto the tourney report. I can't remember exactly what order I played people in, but first I think I played against a U/W Reveillark deck that wasn't running the combo (just the CA machine which was still REALLY good) I beat him game 1 and 3, but it was pretty close all three games (sideboarded Mwonvuli's, Krosans, and the third O-Ring are what won me the game).

The second round I played against the best version of faeries possible (he is insanely rich and netdecks every deck he plays...so you can imagine what kind of craziness he's playing). Surprisingly this matchup didn't give me even the slightest headache, the only trouble I had were his counterspells and I played around those with Treetop Villages and cheap spells until he had wasted them all. I have to say, Tarmogoyf is probably one of the best spells to cast when your opponent is sitting on some counterspells that you want them to get rid of, no one wants to see him sitting across the table from themselves. :D

The third round I played against a janky UWB deck that one of the more scrubby players was playing, I beat him pretty easily, although I'm probably gunna help him with his deck cause he seemed like a cool enough dude.

The final round I played against R/B Goblins and lost! I couldn't believe it, his deck was just perfect against mine, he just had too many dudes and I only got to use 1 damnation in both games! Even after sideboarding in the other two!!! Ahh well I still got second place and won 10 bucks, and it was fun as hell too, first time I've gotten to play competitive magic in like 5 months cause the local store finally got reopened. All in all, a good night indeed. :D

Oh yeah, HAPPY 4/20!!!! (Almost...)

peace
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 19, 2008 - 4:43PM #1165
Banksy
Date Joined: Jul 17, 2007
Posts: 618
//Land - 24
4x [10E] Llanowar Wastes
4x [FUT] Horizon Canopy
2x [PLC] Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4x [LOR] Treetop Village
7x [TSP] Forest
3x [TSP] Swamp

//Creatures - 15
4x [TSP] Birds of Paradise
4x [FUT] Tarmogoyf
4x [SHA] Oversoul of Dusk
3x [LOR] Cloudthresher

//Other Spells - 20
4x [MOR] Bitterblossom
3x [LOR] Garruk Wildspeaker
3x [PLC] Damnation
4x [PLC] Harmonize
2x [LOR] Primal Command
4x [LOR] Profane Command

//Sideboard - 15
SB: [FUT] 3x Krosan Grip
SB: [10E] 2x Loxodon Warhammer
SB: [PLC] 1x Damnation
SB: [KAM] 3x Pithing Needle
SB: [LOR] 2x Primal Command
SB: [10E] 4x Deathmark

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Hit every land drop, accelerate with BoP, stop aggro or give an early threat to control with Bitterblossom, control opponent with Profane, Primal, Damnation, and Thresher for lots of CA goodness, play Oversoul of Dusk, win.
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Should I keep the Garruk Wildspeakers? Now that I think of it, they won't help me too much except for accelerating... I have Bitterblossom for chump blockers.

Other cards to consider:
Thoughtseize
Shriekmaw
Nameless Inversion
Doran the Siege Tower
Vexing Shusher
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I'm thinking of doing:
-1 Oversoul of Dusk
-3 Garruk Wildspeaker
+4 Thoughtseize

Should I?
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Looking for suggestions. Thanks!
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 19, 2008 - 10:31PM #1166
MrIndigo
  • Mr. Indigo
Date Joined: Mar 27, 2003
Posts: 13,416
You are running no Doran. Also, you are running Oversoul. These are both problems for your deck.

Nov 4, 2010 -- 9:11AM, Niche wrote:

Nov 3, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Razorgore wrote:

It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.



It should be about giving black cards to Niche.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2008 - 8:50AM #1167
Mr_IndustrialPants
Date Joined: Sep 17, 2006
Posts: 1,228

MrIndigo wrote:

You are running no Doran. Also, you are running Oversoul. These are both problems for your deck.


I agree. I don't know why you posted this in the Doran thread if you aren't running Doran.

I think the Oversoul is ok (not here), but not as a 4-of.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 20, 2008 - 9:12AM #1168
Velict
Date Joined: Feb 18, 2008
Posts: 1,081
Oversoul is horrendously slow. In this coming metagame, that's bad.
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5 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2008 - 4:38AM #1169
MrIndigo
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Date Joined: Mar 27, 2003
Posts: 13,416
It's right for certain decks, but not this one.

Nov 4, 2010 -- 9:11AM, Niche wrote:

Nov 3, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Razorgore wrote:

It's really not even about giving niche cards to black.



It should be about giving black cards to Niche.

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5 years ago  ::  Apr 21, 2008 - 2:22PM #1170
Dakken21
  • The One
Date Joined: Sep 5, 2004
Posts: 491
Aye, [insert humorous one-liner here].

peace
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