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4 years ago ::
Aug 05, 2009 - 11:59AM
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This thread is for discussion of this week's From the Lab, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 05, 2009 - 9:28PM
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Date Joined:
Aug 31, 2005
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To totally sidetrack: In the art for First Come, First Served, 1 and 2 look like Serra Angel and Straw Golem.
...but what the hell is #3? Makes me think of Two-Headed Giant of Foriys. Is it?
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4 years ago ::
Aug 05, 2009 - 10:24PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 31, 2006
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All the decks made in this column tend to revolve around a single combo. I think its intentional so the column doesn't end up giving out high-powered decks that everyone copies. But with decks you make featuring a combo, its usually a good idea to have a secondary win condition so you can either win with the combo or by other means.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 05, 2009 - 11:27PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2003
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All the decks made in this column tend to revolve around a single combo. I think its intentional so the column doesn't end up giving out high-powered decks that everyone copies. But with decks you make featuring a combo, its usually a good idea to have a secondary win condition so you can either win with the combo or by other means.
First, these decks have a second plan - attack with creatures.
Second, if you dilute your deck with a secondary win condition, you're less likely to get off the combo that was the whole point of your deck in the first place. Remember, the purpose of the deck is to get off your cool combo, not to "win".
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4 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2009 - 12:51AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 25, 2005
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I was kind of hoping to see a deck built around Johnny, Combo Player  this week. How would such a deck work? One possibility is to go infinite using multiple Heartstones  and spells that generate mana (with some way to get stuff back from the graveyard once you have enough mana).
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4 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2009 - 1:23AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 21, 2004
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Am I missing something? How does one repeatedly tap/untap the skill borrower? You tap/untap once, when the alphetto alchemist is on the top... you're milled for one and then you have a new card on top... unless it's another alchemist you're out of luck...
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4 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2009 - 2:00AM
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Date Joined:
Dec 16, 2005
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Am I missing something? How does one repeatedly tap/untap the skill borrower? You tap/untap once, when the alphetto alchemist is on the top...
The combo doesn't want the Alchemist on top of the deck, it wants the Alchemist in play. Then you repeatedly tap/untap the Alchemist, by targetting itself with its ability, to flip through your deck. Skill Borrower never copies the abilities of the Alchemist, it only copies Elvish Aberration, Voltaic Construct, Kamahl, or Thought Courier/Merfolk Looter, and gets untapped either by the Voltaic Constructs or the Fatestitchers.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2009 - 2:04AM
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Date Joined:
Mar 16, 2004
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maxiewawa: Yeah, it's not obvious initially. You get the Aphetto Alchemist  into play (not on top), and then tap it... targetting itself. It taps and becomes untapped, and you've achieved nothing... except getting a permanent to become untapped, which mills you for 1 if you have the Orb in play. There is something very cool about milling yourself for about 1000 on one turn, in a 60-card deck.
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4 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2009 - 2:33AM
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Date Joined:
Sep 26, 2007
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I was trying to work out how you could do it without 2 alchemists - tapping to untap the other. I never realised it worked if it targets itself!
Clever...
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4 years ago ::
Aug 06, 2009 - 3:06AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 21, 2004
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Thanks for everyone's explanations!
This is quite obviously the best combo in the whole of magic.
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Kicker Aggro (Invasion Block)
