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6 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2007 - 11:02PM #31
Umezete
Date Joined: May 27, 2005
Posts: 2,203
For removal I would rather splash black than add serrated arrows. (and end up with a deck like the one that started the thread)

Garruk should probaly be a 4 of in Mono green versions because an opponent will still have to deal with him post wrath.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2007 - 11:12PM #32
IvyFanboy
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 219
i think I'm very satisfied with the MB I have posted now...now i need to fine tune that sideboard.


Masked Admirers works great and really exceeds expectations. He's need to fight mass removal and counters!


Loxodon Hammer is really winning me games where I would've been losing had I still had them as essence wardens.


And just to go over the critics who think this still loses to wog and pyro we have all these cards to fight it:

Masked Admirers : cantrips and reoccurs.
Prowess of the Fair : those few tokens DO matter especailly when you got 2 or 3 of these out and a loxhammer OR Imperious Perfect.
Wren's Run Packmaster : Hide's away a creature to come into play after the wipe.
Treetop Village : Always a nice beater after a tapped out board wipe and a nice lox hammer to grab on to.


Point is, this deck generates card advantage like crazy and they'll find themselves needing many board wipes to finally rid the board of your control.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2007 - 11:47PM #33
shiver0
Date Joined: Jul 11, 2007
Posts: 18
Hello. I tend to use GB build for this deck. Mono G aggro is so vulnerable and I think elves aren't just so quick to kill the opponent before anyone can respond.

My build is:

4x Gilt-Leaf Palace
4x Llanowar Wastes
4x Treetop Village
5x Forest
3x Swamp

4x Llanowar Elf
2x Thornweald Archer
4x Imperious Perfect
3x Elvish Champion
2x Elvish Harbringer
2x Wren's Run Packmaster
4x Wren's Run Vanquisher
4x Masked Admirers
2x Immaculate Magistrate

2x Elvish Promenade
1x Gilt-Leaf Ambush
2x Harmonize
4x Sudden Spoiling
3x Eyeblight's Ending
1x Coat of Arms (is rather bad, since it gives bonus to the opponent)

Boreal Druids would probable be a must in this deck, since it seems very important to have 3 mana in your 2nd turn. Nevertheless...
Yesterday I played with a friend who has another idea for "new" deck. This was a BW control with 20 removals including 6 Wog effects, condemns, terrors, tendrils of corruption and oblivion rings. This was a complete no-no for the elves. If I landed something for longer I had to deal with Liliana and Ajani, and Korlash with Dread and Purity were waiting for the kill. (He also got Demonic Tutors to get what he needs). Of course I sided in Prowess of the Fair for Sudden Spoiling, then I lacked removals for the big ones. I lost 4-2 having pure luck in the last two games.

I appreciate comments and explaining my errors, because right now I feel this deck sucks, and there is once again a control that can deal with the aggro. (Note that Gaddock Teeg is nothing against my friends control, as it gets wiped out with 2cc's and 3cc's easily).
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 07, 2007 - 11:59PM #34
IvyFanboy
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 219

shiver0 wrote:

Hello. I tend to use GB build for this deck. Mono G aggro is so vulnerable and I think elves aren't just so quick to kill the opponent before anyone can respond.

My build is:

4x Gilt-Leaf Palace
4x Llanowar Wastes
4x Treetop Village
5x Forest
3x Swamp

4x Llanowar Elf
2x Thornweald Archer
4x Imperious Perfect
3x Elvish Champion
2x Elvish Harbringer
2x Wren's Run Packmaster
4x Wren's Run Vanquisher
4x Masked Admirers
2x Immaculate Magistrate

2x Elvish Promenade
1x Gilt-Leaf Ambush
2x Harmonize
4x Sudden Spoiling
3x Eyeblight's Ending
1x Coat of Arms (is rather bad, since it gives bonus to the opponent)

Boreal Druids would probable be a must in this deck, since it seems very important to have 3 mana in your 2nd turn. Nevertheless...
Yesterday I played with a friend who has another idea for "new" deck. This was a BW control with 20 removals including 6 Wog effects, condemns, terrors, tendrils of corruption and oblivion rings. This was a complete no-no for the elves. If I landed something for longer I had to deal with Liliana and Ajani, and Korlash with Dread and Purity were waiting for the kill. (He also got Demonic Tutors to get what he needs). Of course I sided in Prowess of the Fair for Sudden Spoiling, then I lacked removals for the big ones. I lost 4-2 having pure luck in the last two games.

I appreciate comments and explaining my errors, because right now I feel this deck sucks, and there is once again a control that can deal with the aggro. (Note that Gaddock Teeg is nothing against my friends control, as it gets wiped out with 2cc's and 3cc's easily).


First off...I'm not comfortable with the mana curve and only 20 land...22 at least.

Also harbringer is WAY toooo slow.

Immaculate Magistrate seems lik a card that would be dealt with the second it touched play...dunno. I feel it's too unreliable.

I'm not understanding sudden spoiling...at all? Easily rip that out for something else.

Also no too sure about Harmonize. I feel it's key to constantly be playing creatures...you don't fair well in late game.


I suggest looking at my build, you should find a lot of answers to surviving those kinds of control decks.

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6 years ago  ::  Oct 08, 2007 - 12:54AM #35
shiver0
Date Joined: Jul 11, 2007
Posts: 18
Thanks for your comments, I will certainly check out your build. I am not very experienced player yet I feel it hard to agree that Sudden Spoiling is bad in such deck. This is devastation in aggro vs aggro match while attacking or defending.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 08, 2007 - 5:41AM #36
IvyFanboy
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 219

shiver0 wrote:

Thanks for your comments, I will certainly check out your build. I am not very experienced player yet I feel it hard to agree that Sudden Spoiling is bad in such deck. This is devastation in aggro vs aggro match while attacking or defending.


It can be good in theory, but it's very situational. For one...it has to be verse an aggro match up to really shine. Two...they have to block and not predict the move (especially after you show the trick once). Three...you need an army FIRST to use it. The slot can be better used. However if you MUST...run 2 - 3 as it's is a power move card, but wont be able to be effective every time you draw one. Generally you just need one to go off for the game to be over for the opponent

This deck usually plays meaner aggro creatures than most aggro can deal with. It can also out last it. Your only fear is them getting some good beaters like goyf and perfect burns/removal spells along the way.

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6 years ago  ::  Oct 08, 2007 - 6:08AM #37
ix_deadend
Date Joined: Mar 25, 2007
Posts: 1,064
since this is more of midrange control, i suggest adding more than masked admirers for card draw. its just too mana intensive. i would sooner be losing life with black card draws than tapping out or close to it to draw a single card. either that or run harmonize. midrange control always needs CA. drawing a card each or not even doesn't equal CA.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 08, 2007 - 9:00AM #38
Umezete
Date Joined: May 27, 2005
Posts: 2,203
The deck is more beatdown with control elements than midrange control, the masks and Prowless of the Fair is there just to give wrath lovers a hard time.
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6 years ago  ::  Oct 08, 2007 - 9:29AM #39
DSgrave
Date Joined: Jul 10, 2007
Posts: 477

ix_deadend wrote:

since this is more of midrange control, i suggest adding more than masked admirers for card draw. its just too mana intensive. i would sooner be losing life with black card draws than tapping out or close to it to draw a single card. either that or run harmonize. midrange control always needs CA. drawing a card each or not even doesn't equal CA.


what about Mind stone ? for mana accel plus card draw? I relaize its not CA, but alot of other mid-ranged decks run it seems like it could be good in here.

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6 years ago  ::  Oct 08, 2007 - 12:26PM #40
IvyFanboy
Date Joined: Jan 27, 2006
Posts: 219
As a beat down deck This thing needs to play as many bodies as it can. Masked admirers is good for the following reasons:

4cc is harsh...but it cantrips...with a 3/2 body (not a bad suicide blocker/attacker)

It's an elf so it can pump.

Not only do you net a card but think of the CA here: he dies (fairly often), you play a llanowar elf and tap for 2 more to retrieve him...you already cantripped a llanowar elf! Then you get to play masked admirers AGAIN for another cantrip with a body! it's a 3 to 1. And it's not slow enough not to play. In this deck you'll often find your self playing him turn 6 and up and is meant to keep up pace.


Also this is by no means a mid range CONTROL. It's beatdown. Lots of angry creatures constantly tapping at your opponents face as they struggle to keep control. Prowess also helps replace guys that get blocked as well, not just pro wrat hand removal. It's also key to surviving red decks and other aggro.

ya really gotta test him, I completely looked him over when building this deck. Only when tweeking it did I realize he had a decent space to fill.
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