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7/9/2009 Feature: "July 2009 Update Bulletin"
9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 3:42PM #1
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Feature Article, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 9:19PM #2
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Well July 9 just came a day early

I will have to read this in-depth tomorrow but I have to say I am already reassured from a slightly unrelated issue with this paragraph:

One last note before we get to the content. When rules change, cards functionally change as a result. Some get better (like Braid of Fire), and some get worse (like Mogg Fanatic). We made the decision this time not to errata any cards to preserve their functionality; they're just going to roll with the punches. This has led us to reexamine our errata policies. In the past, we've issued errata to certain cards so they work as they originally did under an old rules system (rather than working as written under a new rules system), or so they work as intended (rather than working as printed). In some cases, we're confident the change is correct (Armor of Thorns, for example, should not be sacrificed "at end of turn"). In other cases, we think the policy is worth reevaluating. Nothing radical has changed this time out, but over the next few months, we'll be taking another look at the gray areas.


I believe this is the correct decision (however painful) for cards impacted by the new rules and I look forward to seeing results of this reevalution as they pertain to other older cards.

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9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 9:20PM #3
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"Changes to the Comprehensive Rules will also go into effect on Friday, July 10, but the new rulebook is being posted today so you can get an early look. The new Basic Rulebook is also being posted today."

Did I miss it? Where are they?
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9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 9:37PM #4
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I don't understand, I read through most of the second section where you guys say 'the order of abilities in Oracle doesn't match the printed card', and then in the third section you go about changing the order of abilities on older cards to match the order on newer cards. Why do I get the feeling that one year from now you'll be reverting those ability ordering changes back to how they are on the printed card? Seems to be the theme...
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9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 9:39PM #5
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WrathOfGod594 wrote:

"Changes to the Comprehensive Rules will also go into effect on Friday, July 10, but the new rulebook is being posted today so you can get an early look. The new Basic Rulebook is also being posted today."

Did I miss it? Where are they?


It should be up sometime tomorrow morning when WotC return to the offices.

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9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 9:47PM #6
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Is LC correct that the change to the layers system (Sorceress Queen's ability always being taken into account before Giant Growth)'s) was how the layers system was originally implemented?
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9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 9:50PM #7
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Reminder text for banding on Gatherer? Oh, dear god...
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9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 9:57PM #8
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More assorted stuff that should be fixed:

On Invoke Prejudice, "summon spell" is interpreted as "nonartifact creature spell", even though it is interpreted as "creature spell" in all other cases.

There's an inconsistency in the templating of the ante cards; the rules define the action of "anteing" a card (at least, they did before this revision!), but the Oracle wordings don't consistently use it where applicable. Demonic Attorney and Timmerian Fiends do, while Amulet of Quoz, Contract from Below, Jeweled Bird, and Rebirth could but don't.
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9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 9:58PM #9
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Reminder text for banding can be very simple -- it boils down to two sentences, about forty words. The reminder text for protection, suspend, trample, and cascade are all longer.

EDIT: Until 5E or 6E, nonartifact creature cards were all "Summon" spells, and several cards refer to them as such. Artifact creatures were always artifact creatures, and not summons, and got around several cards this way. It's only when creature cards became creatures that this difference was stopped.
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9 months ago  ::  Jul 07, 2009 - 10:11PM #10
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Le Chat wrote:

EDIT: Until 5E or 6E, nonartifact creature cards were all "Summon" spells, and several cards refer to them as such. Artifact creatures were always artifact creatures, and not summons, and got around several cards this way. It's only when creature cards became creatures that this difference was stopped.


Um, yes, I'm well aware of this. When outdated terms (e.g. "successfully cast") are used, they have to be interpreted somehow in terms of modern ones. "Summon spell" has been interpreted as "creature spell", and "summon card" as "creature card" or "nontoken creature" depending on context, in all cases except this one, where "summon spell" was interpreted as "nonartifact creature spell". And this is inconsistent and should be changed, which is what the rules team generally does with such inconsistencies in interpretation.

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