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Apr 17, 2008 - 1:13PM
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Okay, all this discussion answered just about every question I had about double strike, but it also raised a new one. Let's go back to my first example of Kinsbaile Cavalier  being blocked by a 1/1, but let's also say I gave the Cavalier trample. Would he be dealing 3 damage total to the defending player?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 17, 2008 - 1:18PM
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Would he be dealing 3 damage total to the defending player?
Yes, if the attacking player wants to. He also has the option to deal 2 damage to the defending player.
In the first strike damage step, the attacking player must assign lethal damage to the 1/1 blocker. The other point of damage he can either assign to the 1/1 (which might be a good idea if he expects something like Surge of Thoughtweft  ) or assign to the defending player. In the normal damage step, the kinsbaile cavalier  will assign 2 damage to the defending player.
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Apr 17, 2008 - 1:36PM
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Okay, cool, that's good to know. Thank you very much for all the answers.
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Apr 17, 2008 - 3:34PM
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May I add one question. Why is the Cavalier able to assign it's damage in the second damage step when it gains trample, if in both cases the blocking 1/1creature was removed (i.e. put into the graveyard). Is trample the only way that any creature with double strike will ever be able to use it's second attack, aside from the blocking creature surviving the initial hit?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 17, 2008 - 3:41PM
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May I add one question. Why is the Cavalier able to assign it's damage in the second damage step when it gains trample, if in both cases the blocking 1/1creature was removed (i.e. put into the graveyard). Is trample the only way that any creature with double strike will ever be able to use it's second attack, aside from the blocking creature surviving the initial hit?
You might want to read the rules for the Trample ability.
Trample specifically allows blocked creatures to assign "excess" damage to the defending player or Planeswalker. It's the whole point of Trample to be able to do that.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 17, 2008 - 3:43PM
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May I add one question. Why is the Cavalier able to assign it's damage in the second damage step when it gains trample, if in both cases the blocking 1/1creature was removed (i.e. put into the graveyard). Is trample the only way that any creature with double strike will ever be able to use it's second attack, aside from the blocking creature surviving the initial hit?
A blocked creature may not assign or deal combat damage if all blocking creatures are removed unless it has trample. If it does have trample and all blocking creatures have been removed, it must assign all of its damage to the attacked player/planeswalker.
An unblocked creature with double strike will assign damage to the attacked player/planeswalker in both the first strike combat damage step and the regular combat damage step.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 17, 2008 - 3:47PM
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So, in the case of the Cavalier, the "excess" damage would be the second attack from the double strike plus any carried over from the initial block? I guess what I am trying to ask is : What is the point of double strike if you can only use the second strike in conjunction with trample to damage the opponent or to maybe kill a creature bigger than your attacker. Is that really all it is good for?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 17, 2008 - 3:53PM
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So, in the case of the Cavalier, the "excess" damage would be the second attack from the double strike plus any carried over from the initial block? I guess what I am trying to ask is : What is the point of double strike if you can only use the second strike in conjunction with trample to damage the opponent or to maybe kill a creature bigger than your attacker. Is that really all it is good for?
If unblocked, it will do damage twice to the player. If blocked and the blocking creature removed, well that's when you need trample.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 17, 2008 - 3:53PM
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What is the point of double strike if you can only use the second strike in conjunction with trample to damage the opponent or to maybe kill a creature bigger than your attacker.
The point is: in conjunction with trample you can deal damage to the opponent, and you can kill a creature bigger than your attacker, and if your creature is unblocked, you deal double damage to the defending player.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 17, 2008 - 3:54PM
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Let Us get your question straight...
A 2/2 with Double strike and Trample is blocked by a 1/1... Correct?
If the first Combat Damage step, the Attacking Player only needs to assign the Blocking 1/1 lethal (1) damage and the remaining (1) damage to the Defending Player. But, they could have assigned all 2 damage to the Blocking 1/1.
Either way, the 1/1 will be destroyed.
Then, in the second combat Damage step, the Blocked Trampler has no Creatures Blocking it. Thus, it will assign ALL of its Combat Damage to the Defending Player.
Thus, the Defending Player would be dealt either 2 or 3 damage, depending on how the Attacking Player assigned Combat Damage in the first Combat Damage step.
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