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10/20/2008 MM: "Looking Out For Number One"
1 year ago  ::  Oct 17, 2008 - 11:29AM #1
WotC_Monty
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Making Magic, which goes live Monday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago  ::  Oct 19, 2008 - 9:20PM #2
herrdoktor
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MUCH better! i think MaRo did a better job with the leading questions this time around ("So you condone people acting solely in their own self-interest." "What's wrong with that?" "And this is Green's fault?"). i felt like the allied colours section was weak, though - not enough of the perspective leaking into there (too much like 'red is good at destroying things, so i like it' and 'blue is good at controlling things, so i like it' - though the dig at red's love was good)

overall, good, with a quick focus on a very applicable part of black (survival).
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1 year ago  ::  Oct 19, 2008 - 9:22PM #3
onlainari
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Wow this article feels very deep. It's like an analysis on us rather than on magic.
It's not until you learn something you realize how little you know.

DCI Level 1 Judge.
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1 year ago  ::  Oct 19, 2008 - 9:25PM #4
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Evil is often enough embraced, even by its true name. Your cards - in art, text, name, and function - show this truth, as your philosophy bends over backward to deny it. Liberty is not this color's creed, but dominance.

"Here we may reign secure, and in my choice
To reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heav'n."

-Satan, Paradise Lost, Book 1, lines 258-263
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1 year ago  ::  Oct 19, 2008 - 9:30PM #5
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You confuse live and let live with live and let die. Or rather live and kill.
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1 year ago  ::  Oct 19, 2008 - 9:35PM #6
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Feantur wrote:

Evil is often enough embraced, even by its true name. Your cards - in art, text, name, and function - show this truth, as your philosophy bends over backward to deny it. Liberty is not this color's creed, but dominance.


Black is after all supposed to be answering it's question, it's not going to point out it's own hypocrisies. Which is in itself a hypocrisy since it always talks about not rose covering up the truth.

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1 year ago  ::  Oct 19, 2008 - 9:36PM #7
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Edit: Double post.
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1 year ago  ::  Oct 19, 2008 - 9:41PM #8
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I'd like to point something out before people get ahead of themselves and feel that Black got a bum wrap from everyone except Black:

Each color is explaining things from its perspective, and because of this, NO COLOR thinks it does wrong. There are ALWAYS people and things that feel otherwise.
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1 year ago  ::  Oct 19, 2008 - 9:42PM #9
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Feantur wrote:

Evil is often enough embraced, even by its true name. Your cards - in art, text, name, and function - show this truth, as your philosophy bends over backward to deny it. Liberty is not this color's creed, but dominance.


I don't agree. Oppression is White. Ambition is Black. Liberty is Red/Black. Dominance is White-Black.

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." - Aleister Crowley

Can anyone think of a Black-aligned sympathetic character? Or better yet, a R/B/U-aligned sympathetic character?

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1 year ago  ::  Oct 19, 2008 - 9:50PM #10
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"Each color is explaining things from its perspective, and because of this, NO COLOR thinks it does wrong. There are ALWAYS people and things that feel otherwise."

Au contraire. Black often revels in its wrongness. Remember Black includes, nay features, many, um, post-humans and beyond-humans. Black's nature is not limited to human nature, often intentionally.

It is Rosewater's cuddly Selesnyan heart, overpowering his Izzet mind, which blinds him to it. Perhaps Black, sensing this, told him what he wanted to hear. Black would have thrown a less generous interrogator on the defensive.
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