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MM 5/19/2008: "The Evil That Designers Do"
2 years ago  ::  May 16, 2008 - 12:35PM #1
WotC_Monty
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Making Magic, which goes live Monday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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2 years ago  ::  May 17, 2008 - 7:11AM #2
SuperSpeedy
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HAH! HE CONFESSES!

Ahem... okay, odds are, he isn't, but still...
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2 years ago  ::  May 17, 2008 - 7:50AM #3
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This will be a looong article.
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2 years ago  ::  May 17, 2008 - 5:46PM #4
OmegaM
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That's a more intellectual allusion than I would expect from a Mark Rosewater title! I assume he wants us to recall Julius Caesar's

The evil that men do lives after them;
The good is oft interred with their bones.

Will he be talking about how design mistakes can set precedents that are hard to break? I wonder if he'll be telling us about some that are to be broken in the near future.
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2 years ago  ::  May 18, 2008 - 11:54AM #5
Dr_Kraid
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Looking forward to this article. I'm hoping it'll be a story all about how Magic will get flipped turned upside down.
I just proved beyong any doubt that your wording was wrong yet you insist to keep your flawed wording? You are by far the most horrible designer on this forum. Even Bankai would admit he's wrong when faced with such beyond-doubt proof. And that's saying something. You will have cards in your set. That are worded wrong. And you know they're worded wrong. Just because you won't admit you were wrong even though you and everyone else know you are wrong. Wow, just wow. Unbelievable.
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2 years ago  ::  May 18, 2008 - 2:46PM #6
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The license plate said MISE and there were dice in the mirror.
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2 years ago  ::  May 18, 2008 - 7:39PM #7
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I have a good example of the "Psychological Foible #3 – Players Assume Similar Things Work the Same".

I had built a Multiplayer MonoGreen 10-land Stompy deck during Mercadian Masques. It was much faster than normal Stompy because I could play Invigorate, giving one opponent +3 life while taking 4 life from another for zero mana, which is faster damage than any other card. Since Multiplayer Free-for-All decks aren't built to survive 10+ damage on turn 2 from green creatures with a kill on turn 3, I played this deck simply to suicide into the one player in the Free-for-All that I hated for whatever reason, and to teach them to be nice to me across many games.

Nemesis gave the deck Skyshroud Cutter, a stupendously fast 'free' 2/2, with the 'downside' of making one opponent die while making a different opponent your friend. The more of these kinds of cards I could get, the better!

After playing my deck for a year or more and because my deck is so fast that the plodding pace of everyone else is boring, I was reading all the text and flavor text of my cards to try and memorize them.

My discovery was absolutely infuriating, and it's even a set mechanic that changed. My previous knowledge of Invigorate led me to assume Skyshroud Cutter works the same way, when in fact Invigorate is fantastic for my deck while Skyshroud Cutter is spectacularly terrible, even though they presumably use the same set mechanic.

I even emailed Brian Tinsman, whose reply said the reason was lost somewhere in the annals of evil card designers.

While Sheltering Ancient is an ok replacement, every time I play the deck I wish I could punch the game designer in the face that robbed me of all the fun that could have been Skyshroud Cutter.
Kenneth Nagle
Game Designer
Wizards of the Coast
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2 years ago  ::  May 18, 2008 - 8:42PM #8
IthilanorStPete
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Mr. Nagle, the article's not up yet...
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2 years ago  ::  May 18, 2008 - 9:08PM #9
crimson_sunrise
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IthilanorStPete wrote:

Mr. Nagle, the article's not up yet...


Yes, it is.

You fail at using teh intarwebs.

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2 years ago  ::  May 18, 2008 - 9:15PM #10
IlGreven
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crimson_sunrise wrote:

Yes, it is.

You fail at using teh intarwebs.


Er, um...check timestamps. It was not up at 11:42 PM.

Anyhoo, question: Which got more hatemail: Goatnapper, or Steamflogger Boss?

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