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1 year ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 3:13PM
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This thread is for discussion of this week's Building on a Budget, which goes live Wednesday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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1 year ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:29PM
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I just want to say that I'm glad someone finally posted a more sensible method to building decks as a budget player.
Not knowing everyone's collection, I completely understand by Ben or his predecessors would build strictly on a budget as they have. However, Magic is a game about making friends. Without friends, you can't play! If you become good enough friends with your fellow players, borrowing cards usually isn't a big deal. Finding suitable replacements from both your collection and those cards that friends can loan you are key elements to building a competitive deck. I don't think there's been a major tournament yet where I haven't had to borrow at least a few cards.
Very nice article, and well written. IMHO, you achieved your "story teller" goal.
EDIT: First!
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1 year ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:36PM
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not at all what i expected clicking the link but still an interesting and insightful article, does hit some key points in deck building in general. It would be interesting a series of articles where they would take the top decks in the formats and make budgetized versions and try them online
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1 year ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:48PM
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The article was OK; not bad, but a little unexciting. I could relate to it, given that I rarely spend money on Magic cards (something to do with the fact that College sucks most of it away from me) and I often need to work with what's already in my collection. I know Ben has asked everyone to define what Budget means to them (and I believe the "anything under 30" won out), but I personally am a fan of "what can I do with the common cards I already have instead of shelling out for cheap rares", so this definitely spoke to me in that regard. I love the thrill of thrashing $100 decks with commons. I also think you followed the same path your promised not to.
I don't think people can really learn anything from me saying, "I can replace this good card with this slightly worse inexpensive card."[/quote] Maybe I missed something, but that's pretty much what the article was. I agree that you achieved the storyteller angle, but it still felt like replacement with basic replacemnt theory behind it (some theory is better than nothing anyway).
A lot of Ben's articles talk about the deckbuilding process, which is great, but I wouldn't mind more decks like this that don't necessarily center around a certain card or mechanic - things just come together well. It's a nice breather from the Johnnier combos I'm used to. Taking it the next level up in theory would be really interesting to read.
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1 year ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 9:55PM
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This was a so-so article for me.
in parts i just found it down right boring.
Whilst it's hard to go back to invasion block and type out what each turn play is/was i found it a little tiring to go...
"after a couple of games this didn't work so i tried this and switched that and this flopped so i went with this yadda yadda yadda".
I'm not sure of the direction BoaB decks are going these days and whether or not WotC is going to scrap the whole article together, but it would be good for perhaps a week or 2 for a noob or some poor broke player to submit a deck they are using (perhaps relating to the STD format currently) and see what the "pro's" can do about making it more effective, whilst allowing the budget player to shell out less than 5-10 bucks??
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1 year ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 10:03PM
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Thank you for this article, Jacob.
Disclaimer: I am opinionated and ambivalent. Expect me to contradict myself. But don't you dare think you can predict me. :)
Good job undoing your previous cockup, Wizards. Please continue until you no longer suck at all.
"I'm insane. What's his excuse?" - Spike, BVS
[quote author=56881528 post=362227281] wait people obey laws? i thought they were just helpful suggestions, kinda like a DMG. [/quote]
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1 year ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 10:09PM
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It has occurred to me that one of the things mtg.com could always use more articles on is simply "how to build a deck."
- We've had the basics: Make sure you include enough land. It shouldn't be all big dragons! But there's a lot of room beyond that.
- We have Chris Millar's creativeness. But that's Johnny-ish playing around with different interactions. And he's the first to say they aren't competitive.
- Limited Information is very much about building decks. But I think focusing lessons on draft makes it too specialized in most cases.
What is always appreciated is some tips for finding that next level. Some fraction of Resident Genius power. What do Alan Comer, Zvi Moshowitz, Mark Herberholz, Masahiko Morita, Tsuyoshi Fujita, or Guillaume Wafo-Tapa know that the rest of us don't? If you understand how to build decks, then adding a "budget" restriction isn't so tough. I would therefore like to see anything simply on "how to build decks ... oh and by the way we'll use a budget-based cardpool." Jacob, I thought it was pretty good. It seems to me the key points are: 2.5) Understand the advantages of the deck (so you know what is or isn't negotiable) 4) Test and Tune (this is where Ben, and perhaps most people, spent the majority of his time) 5) Read the environment. For this I think you have to take a step toward competitive and away from casual. (Which isn't a bad idea.) Look at what Flores reports as the top decks are, and find budget cards to attack the weaknesses. And don't just do it, but show how it's done so that players can adapt that skill to their own environment. For example, if opponents have lots of expensive non-basics, Wilderness Elemental is an uncommon to take advantage of it. (And as an aside, I just realized that aside from WE, all the nonbasic hate in Standard is rare. Seriously Wizards? The duals are rare, and the anti-dual cards are too?) Anyway, good read.
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1 year ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 11:04PM
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I think it's awesome to see a budget article with a deck built of whatever real, paper cards one might have, rather than what is affordable online. We the kitchen table set can't just go get a playset of whatever budget rare Ben is using this week like the online folk do. In all honesty, I hate copying decks I see online anyway. I come here for inspiration, not to have someone else do my thinking for me. All in all, it was a good article. Just like reading JMS or Flores, I like to see why people make the card choices that they do. I think Jacob's article is well thought out and well written. I thoroughly enjoyed said article.
:D
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1 year ago ::
Aug 20, 2008 - 12:40AM
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I wish I could say this was a good article but sadly it was average at best. It really was "hey this deck is awesome, so....I took out that and replaced it with this....final deck is that!" imo. More understanding how to take cards that are not normally played (budget cards) and apply them to the current meta like the wilderness elemental mentioned above. Also I felt it was a bit rushed and you skipped over a lot of your thought processes and why you picked what you did which is what my point was earlier...which means I'm ranting and my sentences are running away...
2c
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1 year ago ::
Aug 20, 2008 - 12:47AM
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This is the best BoAB article since months. An easy to understand, nicely desmonstrated, way to build a budget deck. And not lot matchs reports of a deck including really expensive and hard to get cards with three sentences about how it was built or improved.
Please, please, tell me Jacob Van Lunen is the one that will write this column in the future.
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