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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 7:50AM
#141
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It wasn't a good set...but those Elder Dragons sure lost their value and to my knowledge have never seen those prices again. As we all know it led to the hastily written and poorly conceived Reprint policy. Funny thing, I kept waiting for my Vodalian Knights  to go up in value... I was okay with Chronicles from a plyer standpoint. There are a lot of neat cards in there and I just happened to have missed everything through Legends (even The Dark was creeping up in price when I started playing). I also give it some nostalgia points for being the first set released after I moved to Seattle. But it certainly was not a strong set, and it was quite uneven in fact (most of the legends just sucked). For me it was the right thing at the right time. Homelands was another matter. I wonder if it had just followed Ice Age and another set had come out a few months later if it would be as hated as it is now. Probably, but I think the fact that we had to stew over it for 2/3 of a year cemented its place in Magic history.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 2:26PM
#142
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I was getting into MTG right as Revised and The Dark were getting hard to find (didn't pull a single darn dual land), and I thought Chronicles was one of the best things a company could do for it's customers. Reprinting cards from sets that initially had print runs of, what, a couple dozen boosters each? (exaggeration, but you see my point). I had no idea of the concept of them losing their value, and to this day I just can't bring myself to give a damn about it. Even before I got into Magic, I had collected baseball cards and comics, and I knew they could go up in value, or be worth less than the paper they were printed on. I know they do reprints of comics all the time, and I'm pretty sure it doesn't make the value of the originals go down that much. But the idea that a game would intentionally not keep all of it's pieces available? Just never occurred to me, and even now, my only issue with reprinting older cards would be the format breaking aspect. I have to agree that reprinting stuff like the P9 in a way that they would only be Vintage/Legacy legal wouldn't be such a bad idea, game-wise. Heck, just print them in white borders in the new card face, and I seriously doubt the values of the original versions would go down more than a few percent each. As for MTGO, I still have that mental block of paying real money for "imaginary cards", on top of the fact that it's MSRP real money, which I certainly do not pay in the real world. And I've seen one too many stories of people losing their entire accounts due to bugs and are basically ignored by The Powers That Be. And a tangent of reprinting old cards:
4. Nonbroken but reserved cards. This is the problem area. There are plenty of cards on the list that would be entirely reprintable, except that they happen to be on the list. Every time they decide to reprint cards (for a core set or some special product), they run into these. There are lots of cards that are useless in Vintage and not really worth anything but which could still be fun as reprints. Because of the reserved list, we're missing out on these.[/quote]
This seriously needs to be fixed. What about going through and taking off all the cards that have never gotten above, say $5, on the secondary market?
There's got to be some interesting cards on that list that wouldn't break any formats or pocketbooks if they got reprinted.
And only tangentially, tangentially related but, I really dug the concept of the "timeshifted" Timespiral cards. Esp deciding to use the old card face. I'm really glad Mark even mentioned they left themselves room to do this in the big changes article.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 4:01PM
#143
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2006
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I would be fine with them destroying the reprint policy entirely because I don't think the P9 is in danger of being reprinted at all. I don't know if they would be inclined to pick and choose specific cards to pull, or just destroy it entirely. If there is another changing of the guard then we could see this happen.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 6:17PM
#144
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Date Joined:
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What you would most likely see is a slight drop in the orignal values of the power nine, but as more people got into playing vintage, the cost would go up, most likely higher than before the reprints.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 6:36PM
#145
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Date Joined:
Oct 23, 2006
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They'd have to reprint far more than the Power 9 or a single set of select cards to get people into Type 1, and even if they were successful in this endeavor they would lose a lot more sales on new product. There's nothing whatsoever in it for Wizards.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 17, 2008 - 6:41PM
#146
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Why do you gentlemen want the P9 anyway? Just honestly curious.
This forum shouldn't have been made active until it was finished. There's just no excuse for this piece of garbage.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 5:06AM
#147
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Losing the invitational sucks. One of my favorite events of the year. Someone with cards/influence/time should set up an unofficial invitational  unfortunately I have too many of the first, none of the second, and marginal amounts of the third.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 19, 2008 - 5:50AM
#148
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Losing the invitational sucks. One of my favorite events of the year.
Someone with cards/influence/time should set up an unofficial invitational unfortunately I have too many of the first, none of the second, and marginal amounts of the third.
You don't need much influence, just the 'ear' of someone who does - like Star City Games or MTG Salvation, or any of those sorts of sites. Just because WotC is either unwilling or unable to stand behind their customers doesn't mean no one else will.
This forum shouldn't have been made active until it was finished. There's just no excuse for this piece of garbage.
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