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5 years ago ::
Aug 14, 2008 - 10:46PM
#131
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. . . casual formats allow every card ever printed.
And before you say "then the power is already there" availibility matters. The less the better.
Why? Many of those cards invalidate a ridiculous amount of new cards as well as are generally unfun.
Fun is a relative term. What you think is fun may not be the same for others. And you will always have less original power. There will never be anymore of the original sets. Reprints will never replace the original. The lack of it being available to more people is a problem. It keeps Type 1 from being a supportable format. I hate to compare, but this is one area YGO has right.
That whole the less the better makes it impossible for new players to play in old formats. Why bother trying the game at all if I am limited to just the new stuff? Think about it.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 14, 2008 - 10:48PM
#132
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In what way would destroying half (all statistics made up, but it seems reasonable) the market for the P9 (the half that wants them not as collectables but so they can play vintage) not affect their prices?
Again, reprints are never going to be originals. !5 year old cards that cannot be gotten today without spending the money. I am not saying print it like water. I am saying a special edition. Make it limited. but make it less limited than the original, preserving the value.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 14, 2008 - 10:59PM
#133
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- Celestial Teapots are broken!
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The reprint policy as a whole is detrimental. The list is just entirely arbitrary (basically an old rare that they didn't immediately reprint is on the list). The brokenness and reservedness of cards isn't related. That is, there are four categories of cards: 1. Broken and reserved cards. This is things like the power nine. I think it's good that these aren't being reprinted, but since they're so powerful, they're never really up for consideration. 2. Broken but unreserved cards. This includes Mana Drain  , as well as all anything broken newer than Urza's block. Because they're not on the reserved list, they could choose to reprint them at any time. The fact that they're not reprinting them indicates that the power level issues are already enough to stop them. 3. Nonbroken and unreserved cards. This is the bulk of all cards. 4. Nonbroken but reserved cards. This is the problem area. There are plenty of cards on the list that would be entirely reprintable, except that they happen to be on the list. Every time they decide to reprint cards (for a core set or some special product), they run into these. There are lots of cards that are useless in Vintage and not really worth anything but which could still be fun as reprints. Because of the reserved list, we're missing out on these. And note that they did loosen the reprint policy once, removing all uncommons that were on it. This is what allowed cards like Clone  , Jade Statue  , and Juggernaut  to be reprint that.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 14, 2008 - 11:02PM
#134
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Date Joined:
May 25, 2004
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Example Sliver Queen
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5 years ago ::
Aug 14, 2008 - 11:03PM
#135
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- Winner YMtC'ing with the Stars!
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Fun is a relative term. What you think is fun may not be the same for others.
Of course. Polls say that overpowered control and unstoppable combo is unfun to the general populace.
And you will always have less original power. There will never be anymore of the original sets. Reprints will never replace the original.
What do you mean?
The lack of it being available to more people is a problem. It keeps Type 1 from being a supportable format. I hate to compare, but this is one area YGO has right.
Type 1 is an unsupportable format for a number of reasons. Firstly, fundamental changes to design style and philosophy. Showing old cards to newbs is not a good way to represent current design state. Second, power changes. Unless they continue to always do new power series there will be a group without access to the broken cards. People would never break into standard because the overpowered cards will always be the rational purchasing choice. Third and most important is that it makes Wizards almost no money. Why should they support it?
That whole the less the better makes it impossible for new players to play in old formats. Why bother trying the game at all if I am limited to just the new stuff? Think about it.
Why not? If you play vintage there is little point in owning the new stuff anyway is it obsoletes it or just makes it generally useless. Why should I buy new cards if I can get more powerful cards? The Gold pack damages standard. They couldn't buy for both standard and casual/vintage.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 14, 2008 - 11:21PM
#136
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Date Joined:
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The gold series did amazing for YGO. It was a great idea and a had a huge demand.
I am sorry but if all you worry about is the standard crowd you miss the whole point of retention. The Type 1 format is not unsupportable. Writing it off for most of the reasons you listed means writing off most of the games history. It just needs a way for people to actually get into it.
The Gold pack does no damage standard. It does not even have an effect on it. Not a complete apples to apples comparison, but close. The reason I do not start playing YGO is because I cannot. There is no way for me to get the cards I need to make a playable deck. I play it by borrowing friends decks. For me it will never be a serious game for that reason. That mentality also can be applied to Magic. Even if Standard exists. The Gold series actually makes it seem posible to compete with older decks.
Finally what did I mean about the power? SImple. the original were printed 15 years ago. There is only one way to get them. They are limited, and growing more so. Why? damage, loss, age, etc. There will never be more originals made. Reprints will always be just that reprints.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 12:01AM
#137
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- Winner YMtC'ing with the Stars!
Date Joined:
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I am sorry but if all you worry about is the standard crowd you miss the whole point of retention. The Type 1 format is not unsupportable. Writing it off for most of the reasons you listed means writing off most of the games history. It just needs a way for people to actually get into it.
I don't really care about standard. I have nothing but petty jealousy and hatred for people who are good at magic. However Wizards does. Printing old cards that invalidate new cards is just bad. They won't buy new cards. Then when the gold cards go out of print they will still have no reason for new cards as they will still be overpowered.
The Gold pack does no damage standard. It does not even have an effect on it. Not a complete apples to apples comparison, but close. The reason I do not start playing YGO is because I cannot. There is no way for me to get the cards I need to make a playable deck. I play it by borrowing friends decks. For me it will never be a serious game for that reason. That mentality also can be applied to Magic. Even if Standard exists. The Gold series actually makes it seem posible to compete with older decks.
In what format. People who play against newbs with nine powered decks are jerks as I said before.
Finally what did I mean about the power? SImple. the original were printed 15 years ago. There is only one way to get them. They are limited, and growing more so. Why? damage, loss, age, etc. There will never be more originals made. Reprints will always be just that reprints.
That isn't the only reason they will never be reprinted. They are simply overpowered. Simply. Even if the oldies still have some sentimental value they will still lose some value from no longer being actually important.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 6:44AM
#138
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My point is simple. I have seen you ride the wheels off of the no proof wagon. You made an assertion of fact without giving solid proof of fact. That is all.
OK, you must have meant proof of something other than my opinion, since all I need to prove that is to say it. Did you mean the fact that it has cost them a lot of time and money to produce and they should be angry that the designers were clearly not up to the task? Or that it was produced (at least in part) by an outside developer? I've read both things fairly recently and can more than likely find them - one was in an article on this site and I found another when Googling info about Hasbro. I can look for them this afternoon after our three meetings in a row (ugh).
This forum shouldn't have been made active until it was finished. There's just no excuse for this piece of garbage.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 7:04AM
#139
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Finally what did I mean about the power? SImple. the original were printed 15 years ago. There is only one way to get them. They are limited, and growing more so. Why? damage, loss, age, etc. There will never be more originals made. Reprints will always be just that reprints.
Ask the people who watched their precious rares show up in Chronicles if they agree.
Type 1 is not meant to be an all-inclusive format. That's why they made Type 2.
They are not going to reprint a bunch of old cards and tell the majority of the community that they can't use them at all except in casual play when people who do use them will be hated around the table (already mentioned by worth repeating). There is no upside to this except for a handful of players already in Type 1 that were only playing proxy tournaments because they didn't have the actual cards. Wizards doesn't care about those players and from a business standpoint they shouldn't.
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5 years ago ::
Aug 15, 2008 - 7:27AM
#140
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Ask the people who watched their precious rares show up in Chronicles if they agree.
Chronicles was odd, to say the least.
All the set accomplished was illustrating just how terrible  most of those fantastically unobtainable cards really were all along. Back in 1995, we expected great things to come from Chronicles, but the set we ended up getting was overstuffed with total crap, give or take a handful of lands.
Then again, this was the Homelands era...
Turns out MTGO's attempt at 'Chronicles 2' had the same problems, to a slightly lesser extent.
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