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2 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2008 - 12:19PM
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This thread is for discussion of this week's bonus article, which goes live Friday morning on magicthegathering.com.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2008 - 9:10PM
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More like this also would not be complained about.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 07, 2008 - 10:16PM
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These are great articles that really help me figure out what decks I should consider playing and testing against. I'd love to see these after every major tournament!
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2 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2008 - 7:37AM
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Why did David Williams get a special invite?
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2 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2008 - 9:07AM
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The last table there is the best. Limited record can probably be used as something of a proxy for Constructed play skill (as contrasted with metagame ability, something already factored out by the time decks are chosen). From that standpoint, the stellar record of mono-red is even more impressive given the subpar (Limited) abilities of most of its wielders. Kithkin are also surprising from that perspective. Elves, on the other hand, appears to be an even worse deck since it had a losing record despite being played by people with 55% limited success. The same applies to Reveillark.
Incidentally, how statistically significant results are definitely depends upon how far they are from the null hypothesis (50%), not just sample size.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2008 - 9:58AM
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Ugh.
Mr. Paul Jordan,
Do the world a favour and never attempt to use statistics again. You are obviously poorly equipped to interpret or even formulate any sort of meaningful statistics, but insist on throwing out statistics and using them as if you knew what you were talking about.
Your numbers fail to take into account any of the various aspects of a Magic tournament, such as player skill, tournament format. You also fail to even investigate the margins of error with your numbers.
Just remember, Disraeli once said, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
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2 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2008 - 2:58PM
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I liked the article. Thanks, Paul.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 08, 2008 - 6:26PM
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Hoorray for stats! Especially for the soon-to-be limited ones :D. Statistics never tell the truth (just a gentle hand gesture in the general direction of it), but when they're taken out of discrete information they give you propabilities which you can use to tune your pet deck or choose the tier firstest (you know what I mean) deck.
Statistics give us metagame and that's what I think all great games are about. There's far less interesting games (Hold 'em and other stuff we play to goof off with opponents' false predictions) that have a global metagame and are way more popular than magic.
P.S. My prediction for the limited review: RRx builds or ncG bomb based builds are gonna be on the top
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2 years ago ::
Aug 09, 2008 - 6:45AM
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- Jawsome UnCon Prizewinner
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Ugh.
Mr. Paul Jordan,
Do the world a favour and never attempt to use statistics again. You are obviously poorly equipped to interpret or even formulate any sort of meaningful statistics, but insist on throwing out statistics and using them as if you knew what you were talking about.
Your numbers fail to take into account any of the various aspects of a Magic tournament, such as player skill, tournament format. You also fail to even investigate the margins of error with your numbers.
It's great to hear new people volunteer to take over the stats effort, and even propose improvements that they will do next time. I'm looking forward to your article on Monday after GP Denver, kakos!
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2 years ago ::
Aug 10, 2008 - 10:20AM
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It's good to see a so called "best deck" like faeries have a bad showing. When people put too much faith in what is commonly thought of as the best, they end getting beat by someone who used a little innovation. Someone who tried something different, someone no one else thought of. It's just like what was mentioned by a few in this weeks episode of The Magic Show. Most people don't use enough brain power in deck building. They dismiss cards too quickly and only use what others deem to be the best.
:D
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