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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 5:44AM
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Opponent has a Mogg Fanatic  , he attacks and I play Judge Unworthy  targetting the Gobbo. With my instant on the stack he sacrifices the creature to do one damage to me. Do I get to scry? And which Rule applies here? Thanks in advance!
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 5:46AM
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- Mogic Puzzle Master
- Plays Well With Others
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All targets (only one in this case) of the spell are now illegal, so the entire spell is countered. You get none of its effects.
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- Terry Pratchett, The Colour Of Magic
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 9:24AM
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Date Joined:
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Do I get to scry? And which Rule applies here?
relevant rule
413.2a If the spell or ability specifies targets, it checks whether the targets are still legal. A target that’s moved out of the zone it was in when it was targeted is illegal. Other changes to the game state may cause a target to no longer be legal; for example, its characteristics may have changed or an effect may have changed the text of the spell. If the source of an ability has left the zone it was in, its last known information is used during this process. The spell or ability is countered if all its targets, for every instance of the word “target,” are now illegal. If the spell or ability is not countered, it will resolve normally, affecting only the targets that are still legal. If a target is illegal, the spell or ability can’t perform any actions on it or make the target perform any actions.
Example: Aura Blast is a white instant that reads, “Destroy target enchantment. Draw a card.” If the enchantment isn’t a legal target during Aura Blast’s resolution (say, if it has gained protection from white or left play), then Aura Blast is countered. Its controller doesn’t draw a card.
Example: Plague Spores reads, “Destroy target nonblack creature and target land. They can’t be regenerated.” Suppose the same animated land is chosen both as the nonblack creature and as the land, and the color of the creature land is changed to black before Plague Spores resolves. Plagues Spores isn’t countered because the black creature land is still a legal target for the “target land” part of the spell.
being countered none of it's abilities resolve and as a result you don't scry
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 4:04PM
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- UnCon Prizewinner 2008
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Not countered, fizzled.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 4:06PM
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Not countered, fizzled.
Wrong.
Fizzled is an informal term.
Countered is the official term.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 4:51PM
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And the fact that the spell is indeed countered is sometimes relevant  .
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 8:01PM
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- UnCon Prizewinner 2008
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Wrong.
Fizzled is an informal term.
Countered is the official term.
Just because something is correct, doesn't make it right. To be countered requires an opposite. If there is nothing to balance it, it cannot be countered. In the case mentioned, the spell stops because there is nothing.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 8:04PM
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- 1 Mystical Gold Star™
- Perkily Plural
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Just because something is correct, doesn't make it right. To be countered requires an opposite. If there is nothing to balance it, it cannot be countered. In the case mentioned, the spell stops because there is nothing.
Are you raving? The rules specifically counter the spell if it has no legal targets. If you have some philosophical objection to the use of the term "counter" in this context, then you should probably contact Customer Service rather than post incorrect "clarifications" here.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 8:06PM
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Just because something is correct, doesn't make it right. To be countered requires an opposite. If there is nothing to balance it, it cannot be countered. In the case mentioned, the spell stops because there is nothing.
Ignore-listed without further comment.
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 8:07PM
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Just because something is correct, doesn't make it right. To be countered requires an opposite. If there is nothing to balance it, it cannot be countered. In the case mentioned, the spell stops because there is nothing.
What? The opposite we will refer to here is 'Game Rules'. A spell with all its targets illegal is countered by the rules of the game. Just because there is 'nothing' doesn't mean a spell stops working. Things such as Cruel Edict  isn't actually countered just because you cast it on a person without any creatures.
The terminology we use is countered, with fizzled being a more flavorable slang. If your not happy with it, express it somewhere other then the rules forum where the correct terminology is /vital/ if you want to be taken seriously.
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