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5 years ago ::
Apr 01, 2008 - 9:18PM
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Does having more than one in play add additional instances of flanking beyond the second, i.e. do they "stack"?
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5 years ago ::
Apr 01, 2008 - 9:23PM
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Does having more than one in play add additional instances of flanking beyond the second, i.e. do they "stack"?
"Stack" has one (1) meaning in Magic: The Gathering.
Stack
A spell or ability goes on top of the stack when it’s played or put onto the stack. Combat-damage assignments also go on top of the stack as though they were a single object. Whenever all players pass in succession, the spell, ability, or combat damage on top of the stack resolves and the active player receives priority again. See rule 217.6, "Stack," and rule 408.1, "Timing, Priority, and the Stack."
[noparse] Cavalry Master  [/noparse] = Cavalry Master
402.7. An object may have multiple abilities. Aside from certain defined abilities that may be strung together on a single line (see rule 502, "Keyword Abilities"), each paragraph break in a card’s text marks a separate ability. An object may also have multiple instances of the same ability. Each instance functions independently. This may or may not produce more effects than a single instance; refer to the specific ability for more information.
Here is a complete list of cards that "turn off" if another card with the same name is involved:
No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 01, 2008 - 9:44PM
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"Stack" has one (1) meaning in Magic: The Gathering.
Stack
A spell or ability goes on top of the stack when it’s played or put onto the stack. Combat-damage assignments also go on top of the stack as though they were a single object. Whenever all players pass in succession, the spell, ability, or combat damage on top of the stack resolves and the active player receives priority again. See rule 217.6, "Stack," and rule 408.1, "Timing, Priority, and the Stack."
[noparse] Cavalry Master [/noparse] = Cavalry Master
402.7. An object may have multiple abilities. Aside from certain defined abilities that may be strung together on a single line (see rule 502, "Keyword Abilities"), each paragraph break in a card’s text marks a separate ability. An object may also have multiple instances of the same ability. Each instance functions independently. This may or may not produce more effects than a single instance; refer to the specific ability for more information.
Here is a complete list of cards that "turn off" if another card with the same name is involved:
Thanks for the thorough reply. I wasn't referring to the M:tG stack, and I tried to avoid this with the quotes. For the record, I'm fully aware of what the stack is and how it functions.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 01, 2008 - 9:52PM
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like argus said " Each instance functions independently" some abilities like flying trample shadow etc are redundant if a creature has multiple times that abilities. but abilities like flanking and poison etc each instance resolves separatly so if a creature has 3, 4 or more times that ability in this case "flanking" (e.j. a 5/4 bloking a creature 3/3 with 3 flanking the defending creature if doesnt have flanking ll lose power and thoughness so ll be a 2/1 against a 3/3) so using multiples sidewinder sliver  and Cavalry Master to extra use the flanking ability is totally posibily and legal :3
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5 years ago ::
Apr 02, 2008 - 12:37AM
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I'm fairly certain that cavalry master's reminder text (i.e. its printed on the card) tells you that "each instance triggers separately."
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5 years ago ::
Apr 02, 2008 - 1:04AM
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"Stack" has one (1) meaning in Magic: The Gathering.
Asking if something stacks in MTG is a perfectly reasonable way to convey a question. Do these abilities stack, do these counters stack, does this stack with this... No one is going to get confuse over this terminology, so issuing a repremand would lead to further confusion and unecessary hoop jumping. Telling people not to use 'stack' because it may refer to the stack is unreasonable and counter-intuitive. That's my view on the thing anyways, and anyone can easily determine what it means through the use of context.
As for the actual question. Each Cavalry Master would give every other creature an additional instance of Flanking. So if you have two out on the field, a normal flanker would end up giving a creature that blocked it -3/-3.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 02, 2008 - 6:24AM
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Asking if something stacks in MTG is a perfectly reasonable way to convey a question. Do these abilities stack, do these counters stack, does this stack with this...
It's a fairly pointless question in MTG. It's like asking whether a particular card is approximately 2.5 inches by 3.5 inches.
No, I am not a judge. That's why I like to quote sources such as the rules that trump judges.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 9:18AM
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I'm fairly certain that cavalry master's reminder text (i.e. its printed on the card) tells you that "each instance triggers separately."
I appreciate your sarcastic remark, but you failed to understand the simple question that asked, which was basically whether or not having multiple Cavalry Masters in play does anything, not whether or not multiple instances of flanking trigger separately.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 4:21PM
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I appreciate your sarcastic remark, but you failed to understand the simple question that asked, which was basically whether or not having multiple Cavalry Masters in play does anything, not whether or not multiple instances of flanking trigger separately.
Your assertion that shoe's comment is sarcastic fails to convince due to lack of evidence. But that is besides the point:
Given that multiple instances of Flanking trigger separately and have a cumulative effect, why wouldn't more multiple instances have a similar effect?
Nothing about Cavalry Master's ability would indicate that it doesn't work in the presence of another cavalry master, or that it only affects creatures with one instance of Flanking etc.
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5 years ago ::
Apr 03, 2008 - 6:07PM
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It's a fairly pointless question in MTG. It's like asking whether a particular card is approximately 2.5 inches by 3.5 inches.
How is asking whether something has a cumulative effect a pointless question? It seems like a perfectly reasonable question, if a fairly easily answered one in most instances, and one that far too many of the people who answer questions in this forum have a wholly unreasonable bug up their butt about, terminology-wise.
Jeff Heikkinen
DCI Rules Advisor since Dec 25, 2011
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