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4 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2009 - 3:48PM #11
sacub13
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Makaro wrote:

I have to agree that TEPS is also good against aggro, and I think it's better than Burn as well. Of course, control and discard can really hurt it.


control really cant stop storm. the most it can hope to do is counter a ritual or two, maybe a bloom. but a good storm is not gonna go off against control without knowing that it can fight through that

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2009 - 4:16PM #12
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sacub13 wrote:

control really cant stop storm. the most it can hope to do is counter a ritual or two, maybe a bloom. but a good storm is not gonna go off against control without knowing that it can fight through that


Stifle .

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2009 - 7:13PM #13
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sacub13 wrote:

control really cant stop storm. the most it can hope to do is counter a ritual or two, maybe a bloom. but a good storm is not gonna go off against control without knowing that it can fight through that


Faeries has some answers, namely Stifle and Vendilion Clique, to TEPS preboard, but Gigadrowse in Game 2 is hard for them to beat.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 06, 2009 - 8:08PM #14
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mntwinsfan wrote:

Faeries has some answers, namely Stifle and Vendilion Clique, to TEPS preboard, but Gigadrowse in Game 2 is hard for them to beat.


ive never had a problem with fae. stifle can be a problem if they use it on my bloom or one of the onslaught lands, but the basic build of teps can come back easily from anything they throw at me. and i havent found a whole lot of use for gigadrowse even sideboard. by build is built to go off as fast as possible, so even the counterspells and other control elements are aimed at assisting me with that. and i also find that most fae decks i play against dont bother trying to control anything other than the blooms when they resolve, so normally i see a counterspell or 2 depending on the number of blooms coming off suspend, and at that point they are tapped out and i have a higher storm count than before

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 07, 2009 - 12:40PM #15
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sacub13 wrote:

ive never had a problem with fae. stifle can be a problem if they use it on my bloom or one of the onslaught lands, but the basic build of teps can come back easily from anything they throw at me. and i havent found a whole lot of use for gigadrowse even sideboard. by build is built to go off as fast as possible, so even the counterspells and other control elements are aimed at assisting me with that. and i also find that most fae decks i play against dont bother trying to control anything other than the blooms when they resolve, so normally i see a counterspell or 2 depending on the number of blooms coming off suspend, and at that point they are tapped out and i have a higher storm count than before


Gigadrowse is more to deal with sideboarded Stifle/Trickbind than counters.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 07, 2009 - 7:59PM #16
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sacub13 wrote:

ive never had a problem with fae. stifle can be a problem if they use it on my bloom or one of the onslaught lands, but the basic build of teps can come back easily from anything they throw at me. and i havent found a whole lot of use for gigadrowse even sideboard. by build is built to go off as fast as possible, so even the counterspells and other control elements are aimed at assisting me with that. and i also find that most fae decks i play against dont bother trying to control anything other than the blooms when they resolve, so normally i see a counterspell or 2 depending on the number of blooms coming off suspend, and at that point they are tapped out and i have a higher storm count than before


Actually, you don't make much sense. If you truly think what you said in your post, then you know nothing of TEPS. What is really good in playing Stifle against you is that it can counter the Storm ability. Sure, it's cool to stifle a fetchland, but you usually never do that against TEPS, you save your Stifles/Trickbinds for the big Desire.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 07, 2009 - 11:28PM #17
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until tonight i had never had a fae player stifle the storm. but even then i was able to fight through to win 2 games in a row, so fae isnt really a problem
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4 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2009 - 12:42PM #18
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sacub13 wrote:

until tonight i had never had a fae player stifle the storm. but even then i was able to fight through to win 2 games in a row, so fae isnt really a problem


Uh, have you ever played against a Faerie deck maindecking Stifle? Not all Faerie players play Stifle, but the ones that do will hit you with it once in a while.

Also, just because you managed to win the next two games doesn't mean that you can completely ignore the possibility of playing Faeries w/Stifle.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2009 - 1:11PM #19
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mntwinsfan wrote:

Uh, have you ever played against a Faerie deck maindecking Stifle? Not all Faerie players play Stifle, but the ones that do will hit you with it once in a while.

Also, just because you managed to win the next two games doesn't mean that you can completely ignore the possibility of playing Faeries w/Stifle.


i never said i can ignore it, im probably gonna start testing pact of negation more extensively now that ive encountered MD stifle. my point was that Fae is not the unstoppable monster that everyone is making it out to be. storm can beat fae with or without stifle. both times i won those games the desire got stifled. in the second one my lotus bloom got stifled the same turn as i went off. fae certainly is a more admirable foe for storm than most decks in the format, but its beatable none the less.

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4 years ago  ::  Apr 08, 2009 - 4:13PM #20
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sacub13 wrote:

i never said i can ignore it, im probably gonna start testing pact of negation more extensively now that ive encountered MD stifle. my point was that Fae is not the unstoppable monster that everyone is making it out to be. storm can beat fae with or without stifle. both times i won those games the desire got stifled. in the second one my lotus bloom got stifled the same turn as i went off. fae certainly is a more admirable foe for storm than most decks in the format, but its beatable none the less.


Beatable, but it isn't a lopsided match up. A decent Fae player will mulligan for a Stifle, Trickbind, and/or V. Clique. They have E. Explosives to blow up Lotus on the upkeep and they can stifle the Gigadrowse replicate trigger to keep mana open to initiate a spell battle on your turn. Lots of disruption with a fast clock known as V. Cliques and Mutavaults.

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