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4 years ago ::
May 14, 2009 - 11:42AM
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But still, I don't see the value in WoD. I can imagine seeing a guy rocking the Wall and thinking "Cool: I can swing at this guy with a few creatures and not fear losing any." A rattlesnake card is something like No Mercy  , which punishes those who attack you. Wall of Denial  doesn't create any consequences for an attacking player unless they are attacking with a single creature.
I don't know if I'd call it a rattlesnake either, but it does tend to divert attacks elsewhere.
Because of shroud, wall of denial can't be killed with spot removal, and because of it's 8 toughness and flying most creatures cannot punch through it. That means that opposing players either have to commit multiple attackers to the field in order to break through your defenses (which might leave them open to counter-attacks from other players), or they have to waste a board sweeper to get rid of a wall that poses no actual threat to their life total; neither scenario is particularly optimal.
Most players will hold wrath of god until a sufficient swarm of creatures has hit the field of play to pose a threat. So by the time somebody plays a board sweeper, the wall will have lost most of its usefulness anyway. In the meantime, wall of denial has successfully neutralized the single largest threat fielded by each player at the table (assuming they don't have something with 8+ power to attack with). Post board sweeper, the wall becomes awesome all over again, foiling the attacks of large angels, dragons, and many other finishers all by it's lonesome.
Additionally, unlike plumeveil  or wall of reverence  , wall of denial has no potential to kill attackers or provide lifegain, so it has no obvious in-game effects that encourage people to kill it. It will prevent a bunch of damage by blocking over and over again, but that effect is subtle, and its ability to fly under the radar is a good thing, since you'll get much more mileage out of it before it dies.
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4 years ago ::
May 15, 2009 - 1:30AM
#62
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Nov 22, 2007
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Ah, the discussion about rattlesnakes again  . Imo, WoD is not nearly as good as the other 2 defenders because it is not capable of harming the opponent. The very worst that could happen is that the opponent has just 1 creature out, that is incapable of killing WoD, and no way to remove the WoD in any other way. That sounds like a rather sucky deck to me, so I think it's safe to say that WoD is a fog-effect for 1 (non-finishing) creature at best. Both plumeveil and WoR make the controller pull ahead (surprise blocker that kills a good sized creature / impregnable lifegain-cushion) which is way better than just stopping some damage. If it had at least 1 power, it would be way better, but then it's toughness would probably also be a bit lower.
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4 years ago ::
May 15, 2009 - 3:15AM
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Date Joined:
Feb 10, 2007
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I actually like WoD. Surprisingly, the flavor text on it shows its main strength: it provides you time in a very subtle way. As noted by others, it's strength lies in its apparent harmlessness. It doesn't gain you life, nor does it kill any attackers coming towards it. So yes, it can result in getting hit mindlessly by an opponent without fear of retribution, but most likely the utility your opponent gets from swinging into you with 2+ creatures just to get past WoD is likely to be less than the utility your opponent will get swinging into a more threatening opponent. WoD, for all sakes and purposes, buys you time to build up a good hand to do what you need to do. It's not a traditional rattlesnake in the sense that it punishes people for attacking you. Instead it creates a situation in which attacking you tends not to be the best option for your opponent. I'm actually unsure whether or not it is better than plumeveil or WoR; all I know is that people aren't going to wrath just to get rid of your WoD  .
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4 years ago ::
May 15, 2009 - 4:57AM
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WoD... is awesome in MP, BECAUSE it isn't a treath.
Plumeveil only blocks once in MP...maybe twice if you're lucky.
WoR is good as long as it doesn't grant you TOO much life because then it gets you a LOT of unwanted attention from the other 4+ players.
WoD deters 4 creatures from attacking you per (4+players) round.
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4 years ago ::
May 15, 2009 - 7:22AM
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Nov 22, 2007
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Those are all worst and best case scenarios. It is not unlikely that multiple players are scared of attacking into you with mana open, or even with a plumeveil already on the table, because it's 4/4 and can kill quite a lot. WoR is still 1/6 and annoying to get rid of even when it does gain you a load of life. WoD does very little against a token swarm, for example even as simple as Goblin Assault  hardly cares about WoD whereas both plumeveil and WoR basically counter the card entirely.
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4 years ago ::
May 15, 2009 - 8:46AM
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4 years ago ::
May 15, 2009 - 12:12PM
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While I don't think that WoD comes anywhere close to being the best MP in Alara Reborn, (it gains absolutely nothing from a duel to a MP game), I must say that I have found a deck for it and it does work extremely well. And after playing with some of the new cards my list would have to look like this. (Keep in mind this is my list with my meta involved.) 1.) Maelstrom Pulse  - Keep in mind my favorite color combo is   and my meta is full of token decks atm. So a one-sided wrath effect for 3cmc = sign me up! Not to mention it gives black the ability to destroy enchantments, something Putrefy could never do. 2.) Dauntless Escort  - This guy is sick. I have a Bant aggro deck with a few WoG myself and this guy is either a finisher or a WoG blocker. People in my meta have become attuned to nuking this guy as soon as he hits the board which says to me . . . awesomesauce. 3.) Lord of Extinction  - Say what you will about him, but this guy is a house. No card plays in a vacuum and the deck I have him abuses him like a red-headed stepchild. *hint* Death Cloud  , Pox  , and Mindslicer  are his friends. 4.) Deathbringer Thoctar  - Now after you pick yourself up off the floor from laughing this guy is for real. After just one creature dies he says that no other 1/1 can hit the table without getting blasted. And the best thing is he stacks well. Got 2 of these uglies out? No 2/2 is safe. And the other great thing is . . . he is supported by one of my favorite tribes in Magic. ZOMBIES! This guy is banananutsbonkersauce with a Death Baron  in play. So there you go, that is my opinion. Hope you guys enjoy.
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