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5 years ago ::
May 24, 2008 - 12:11PM
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Date Joined:
May 13, 2008
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Hello forums! I am in need of assistance finishing up this deck. I am trying to build a burn deck around Spiteful Visions  and Underworld Dreams  which would the be followed by gobs of burn to make sure the person dies faster than they can produce a response. but in order to be really great I want both of those in play by turn 4, which means turn three underworld dreams, in a deck that needs red for burn. So i was thinking Manaforge Cinder  if i can get one in play on turn 1 or 2 I'm set! but that easier said than done, so i got Graven Cairns  in there but i feel like there may be some good mana fixing I am missing. any suggestions? also plan on running Beseech the Queen  so that even if I don't draw what I need I can probably get it into play on turn 5 anyway. And of course the deck is full of burn, which means I can just red deck wins if I never get what i need. Which brings me to more questions, what would be the best burn spells to get for this deck? And, as far as creatures, Mudbutton Torchrunner  ? Murderous Redcap  ? or is 4cc to much? or maybe I am over complicating this and there is black burn I could use, and just go monoblack? Help me oh mighty forums!
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5 years ago ::
May 24, 2008 - 12:43PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2006
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5 years ago ::
May 24, 2008 - 2:54PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 25, 2007
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You know, I would think a Goth Deck Wins deck would involve a lot of spells that hurt yourself... or Emo Deck Wins.
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5 years ago ::
May 24, 2008 - 5:41PM
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Date Joined:
May 13, 2008
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I have been researching some burn and so far, besides staples like shock  I am thinking Shard Volley  - I am sure to have way to many lands Lightning axe  - Seems perfect if your drawing 2 cards a turn Lash Out  - as most of the burn in this deck may go towards creatures to stall till they draw to death, this spell works great and may do double duty. Black just seems too slow at this point, I would rather be able to play both cards I draw every turn to make sure I am getting the most possible benefit from visions. But either way I am planning on running some direct black creature removal, Been looking at. shriekmaw  - terror, with a creature just in case i need it slaughter pact  - surprise! nothing like tapped out terror assassinate  - I always end up playing against black and artifact creatures, so This might be my best choice and sadly, I can't get damnation  because I am not that ballin edit: also just checked the price on slaughter pact, pretty up there. also if there is anything better you guys can think of just let me know!
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5 years ago ::
May 24, 2008 - 9:45PM
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Date Joined:
May 13, 2008
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Heres a very basic deck list, very very basic just so you guys can get an idea of what i am going for Enchantments 4x Spiteful Visions 4x Underworld Dreams Creatures 4x Manaforge Cinder Sorceries & Instants 4x Beseech the Queen 4x Flame Javelin  4x shock 4x Lightning Axe  4x Shard Volley 4x Lash out  4x Assassinate  Lands 4x Graven Cairns 9x Mountain  7x Swamp 
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5 years ago ::
May 24, 2008 - 9:56PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 30, 2004
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sudden death  over assasinate if your trouble is black creatures.. Assasinate is not good enough. incinerate  over shard volley? and if you change your lands into snow-covered mountain  and snow-covered swamp  then you can run skred  over lava axe
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5 years ago ::
May 24, 2008 - 10:35PM
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Date Joined:
May 13, 2008
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5 years ago ::
May 25, 2008 - 12:43AM
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Date Joined:
Nov 14, 2002
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If you are running Spiteful Visions, Soul Spike would be really good. It lets you play a spell for free, and it gains you life so that you don't die.
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